Chronology: how old is America?

Decided to share a few chronology related speculations of mine. Chronology is the science of locating historical events in time, they say. As it stands, the narrative compliant chronology is in total disarray. Below are my thoughts. I am not claiming that anything you see below is correct. I did notice a few peculiar details, and ended up playing with some numbers.
  • I will point out a few chronology (number-related) coincidences.
  • I will speculate a lot, because some things are perceived before they get substantiated by proof.
    • I might fall flat on my face in the process.
  • Could it be that both Americas were created/moved into their current positions between 321 and 529 years ago?
    • This is not the main topic of this article, but it does serve as a decent clickbait headline, lol.


Here are some of the dates used:
  • 1492: America (aka the New World) was discovered.
  • 1700: Russian Calendar Reform.
    • 7208: Creation of Peace in the Star Temple, or Creation of the World in the Star Temple.
    • 01/01/1700. Russia awoke that day, not to the year 7208, but to 1700.
  • 376 - 476: The fall of the Western Roman Empire.
  • 1453: The fall of the Eastern Roman Empire aka The Byzantine Empire
  • 1152: The birth of Jesus, per Fomenko.
1000 Added Years
- or 1,000 plus -
Some of us suspect that there was an extra thousand years added to our historical time line. It appears that the so-called "Dark Ages" were made up to "supersize" our history. We have Mr. Fomenko to thank for bringing the issue to our attention. For those marinating in this topic, the problem is undeniable. At the same time there is no consensus on why this extra millennium might have been added to our time line.
  • Contributing factors: j, J, i, I
Fomenko suggested that these letters stood for:
Naturally, 1576 AD would not be equal to I576.
  • 1576 - year 1576 from Jesus
  • I576 - year 576 from Jesus
  • I576 + 1000 = 1576
  • I576 ≠ 1576
The above explanation appears to be working until we run into dates looking like this.

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If the PTB chronology is correct, the same should apply for j and J. But I'm not sure it does. Let's take a look at this 1652 map.
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Here is what 1s and 7s look like on the same map.

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If this here is year 1587...

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Then what year is this? j615, 7615 or 1615?

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Other similar maps have something like this on:
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To make matters a bit more complicated, I have to offer you the below tables from this book published in MDCLXXXV aka 1685.
  • It's kind of funny, but "I" aka "1" is the only clearly identifiable and consistent figure.

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Life is not gonna get any easier when we move on to coins. The below 1717 coin demonstrates that a familiar looking "1" was clearly known at some point.

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Unfortunately, we do not really know when that "some point" happened, for we also have coins with "1s" looking like this.

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Well, and let's not forget about "I's".

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Yet, things are not as clear as they appear to be. Let's turn to "Js". What year is this?
  • Georgius II minted in J737? Why not I737 to signify 1737.

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Who knows what year is on the coins below?


Now, when we are clear as mud on coins, let's take a look at this woodcut.
  • "The wedding of the dwarf Yakim Volkov on November 14, 1710 in the palace of Prince A. D. Menshikov in St. Petersburg"
  • The engraving is dated 1711.
It's a mess as you can see. We have some weird symbol (I cannot reproduce) and a letter similar to "j" indicating "1" We also have "J" = "7".

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Will add one more engraving I found on reddit.
  • On the twenty-ninth day of August J782, his Majesty's Ship the ROYAL GEORGE, being on the heel of Spithead overset and sunk; by which fatal accident about nine hundred persons were instantly launched into eternity: among whom was the brave and experienced officer Rear Admiral KEMPENFELT.
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Here is what it says at the bottom of the image. Are we sure that the image was published shortly after it was created?
  • Why did they use "J" when they clearly could print "1"?
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Note: This type of images are dime a dozen. You can easily google-search some out if you want.

What a Mess...
As I see it, if there indeed was some meddling with our chronology, it did not happen overnight. In other words, there had to be a period where two or more chronological systems co-existed. This would have resulted in an overlap of chronological systems.
  • Could it be that, for whatever "post-event" reason, around i475-i492 it was assumed that "i,I,j,J - from Jesus" was "1", and when the mistake was realized, it was too late to get it corrected?
  • Equally, could it be that those with authority did know the true meaning of "i,I,j,J" but chose to adjust our history by adding an extra millennium to the time line?
  • Under what circumstances could either one happen without masses (of people) noticing?
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We are told that Joseph Justus Scaliger (1540-1609) and a French Jesuit Dionysius Petavius (1583-1652) were the ones who gave us what we have.
  • Scaliger's De emendatione temporum (1583) revolutionized perceived ideas of ancient chronology. It showed that ancient history was not confined to that of the Greeks and Romans, but also comprised that of the Persians, the Babylonians and the Egyptians, hitherto neglected, and that of the Jews, hitherto treated as a thing apart.
    • Scaliger succeeded in reconstructing the lost Chronicle of Eusebius - one of the most valuable ancient documents, especially valuable for ancient chronology. This he printed in 1606 in his Thesaurus temporum, in which he collected, restored, and arranged every chronological relic extant in Greek or Latin.
  • Petavius had inserted some masterly dissertations on chronology; in 1627 he brought out his De doctrina temporum, and later the Tabulae chronologicae (1628, 1629, 1633, 1657).
    • It surpassed Scaliger's De Emendatione temporum (Paris, 1583), and prepared the ground for the works of the Benedictines.
An Opinion: If i564, or j564 were indeed meant to mean year 564 and not 1564, we won't find much of the original meaning after (approximately) the narrative compliant year 1475. After ~1475 (=i475) the adjustments started being made. Book and archive burnings ensured that very little evidence of meddling survived. By the time Scaliger came about, he simply improved the new narrative.
  • Old: i, I, j, J were still used as intended and meant "year from Jesus".
  • Mixed:There were still plenty of texts, but a new doctrine started to form.​
  • Fixed: After approximately 1700, the new narrative was getting actively pushed into masses. Some still knew their history, but numbers were quickly diminishing.​
Unfortunately, the oldest printed texts we see are dated with late 1500s. And those are very hard to read. Imho, some of the pre-1475 narrative noncompliant printed books were copied by hand, and turned into narrative compliant copies of the non-existent originals.
  • With coins, things were a bit harder to adjust... or so it seems.
Look at the font complexity of the 1454-55 Gutenberg Bible. This is allegedly the earliest major book printed using mass-produced movable metal type (in Europe, of course). Who in the sane state of mind could dream up this sophisticated typeface to start a book printing business with, when progressing from hand-written texts? But...
  • Between 1436 and 1450 Johannes Gutenberg developed hardware and techniques for casting letters from matrices using a device called the hand mould.
  • Gutenberg's key invention and contribution to movable-type printing in Europe, the hand mould, was the first practical means of making cheap copies of letterpunches in the vast quantities needed to print complete books, making the movable-type printing process a viable enterprise.
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Compare to the typeface used in 1681. Which one would you rather make a hand mould for 400-500 years ago?
  • By the way, these two typefaces are ~230 years apart.
  • Were they regressing, or what?
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1492, 7208 and 1700
Methinks, these dates are pretty significant. On one hand we have 1492 aka the year Mr. Columbus (allegedly) discovered Americas. On the other hand we have Russians waking up to the year 1700. Yet, they have never experienced year 1699. Why? Because when they went to bed on the 31st of December, their year was 7207. They never woke up to the year 7208 due to the calendar reform. What's the common denominator there?
  • Columbus discovered the "New World" in 1492
  • In 1700 in Russia they would have had year 7208 from the "Creation of the World in the Star Temple".
  • Naturally we have a "New World" and a "Created World".
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A Star Temple
As it was mentioned prior, the Russians used to count their years from the "Creation of the World in the Star Temple". Noone really knows what that means. As such, it is open to interpretation. The below image is indicative of my interpretation of the "Star Temple". Methinks, the "Temple" could mean our Terrarum.

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It appears that we have the following:
  • Year 7208 "from the creation of the World in the Star temple" equals...
  • Year 1700 from Jesus
This is the point where I would like to bring up this 1492 (allegedly) map of the world authored (allegedly) by Martin Behaim.
  • I understand that most of you have seen this map before.
    • I also know that some of you did not see the version with additional lands up north.
    • And most of us have never considered the fact that the map is incomplete due to being cut off at the top.
      • Where is the rest of the map?
It's pretty obvious that this map does not have neither North nor South American continents on it. The reasons could be self-explanatory. The "New World" was yet to be discovered.

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Well, what if both Americas were indeed depicted on the above map, and in 1492 or i492 were somehow moved to their current position?
  • Hence, Atlantis/Hyperborea ended up getting sunk/moved, to a new location.
  • I understand that it sounds uber ridiculous, but it was not me who said that truth was stranger than fiction.
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I'm not suggesting that something of this magnitude happened overnight. It might have taken years... may be tens of years. An event of such proportions could have been accompanied by some major surface catastrophes, cataclysms and calamities.
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I suspect that what you see below, did not happen during the suggested span of 1,260 years. Methinks that all these different cataclysms happened within a relatively short period of time.
  • 641 - 381 = 225 years? But... and it is my personal opinion, we are talking about less than a 75 year span.
  • On a separate note, after reading the below, our year 2020 does not look that bad.
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This here is my favorite one. Those narrative compilers had to be super bored to come up with such bullshit.
  • Prince Popiel ІІ was a legendary 9th century ruler of the West Slavic tribe of Goplans and Polans and the last member of the pre-Piast dynasty, the Popielids.
  • As the story goes, a throng of mice and rats (which had been feeding on the unburnt bodies of Popiel's uncles) rushed into the tower, chewed through the walls, and devoured Popiel and his wife alive.
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What would the outcome of something like that result in? This?

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Heck, who knows? May be it looked like this...

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An explanation: I'm suggesting that the "New World" discovered by Columbus and the "Creation of the World in the Star Temple" were the same event. If this was indeed the case, it would mean that:
  • Year 1492 = Year 1700 = Year 7208.
An alternate way to present the above dates looks like this:
  • Year i492 = Year 1700 = Year 7208.
I think that year 492 was counted from Jesus, and year 1700 (being post-Scaligarian) already had an extra 1,000 years incorporated into it. I will jump ahead and proceed with the following speculations:
  • 1700 - 1492 = 208
  • 700 - 492 = 208
  • Year 7208 was in reality Year 208 from "Creation of the World in the Star Temple".
    • Year 7208 was interpreted incorrectly, and figure "7" suffered a fate similar to the one figure "1" did, when it was "confused" with "a letter". Or the other way around, a letter was confused (or intentionally misrepresented) with a figure.
To reemphasize: The discovery of America by Columbus and the "Creation of the World in the Star Temple" was the same event.
  • The reason they had to discover America was due to America not being there prior to 475-492.
Note: This is where we have to take a closer look at a few dates.
  • 7208 - the Creation of the World in the Star Temple
  • 475 - the Fall of the Western Roman Empire
  • 1453 - the Fall of the Eastern Roman Empire
  • 1492 - the Discovery of America
  • 472 - the eruption of Vesuvius
  • 1482 - the eruption of Vesuvius
  • 1631 - the eruption of Vesuvius
Year 7208 (format)
- From the Creation of the World in the Star Temple -​
Russia used the Byzantine calendar up to 1700. But... no Byzantine calendar sources mention "The Creation of the World in the Star Temple". These pages do, but none appear to be official.
The Byzantine calendar was the calendar used by the Eastern Orthodox Church from c. 691 to 1728 in the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
  • It was also the official calendar of the Byzantine Empire from 988 to 1453 and of Kievan Rus' and Russia from c. 988 to 1700.
  • Used in other areas of the Byzantine commonwealth such as in Serbia.
    • Note: Since Byzantine is a historiographical term, the original name uses the adjective "Roman" as it was what the Eastern Roman Empire continued calling itself.
    • LOL, how convenient.
There are many post-1700 coins dated using Cyrillic Numerals. Where are all pre-1700 Russian coins dated in a similar manner?

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To evaluate a Cyrillic number, the values of all the figures are added up: for example, ѰЗ is 700 + 7, making 707. If the number is greater than 999 (ЦЧѲ), the thousands sign (҂) is used to multiply the number's value: for example, ҂Ѕ is 6000, while ҂Л҂В is parsed as 30,000 + 2000, making 32,000.
  • As far as I understand, we would need a coin dated with a number starting ҂Ѕ.
  • Every single coin I've see so far starts with ҂A, similar to the 1704 aka ҂AѰД one below.
    • For example, a coin dated with 6873 would have ҂ЅѾOГ on it. Not sure if I got it right.
    • Where are all these coins from 6000s?
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In the process ran into the below page.
  • The reign of Peter the Great (1696-1725)
  • Until 1718, the year of minting on coins was indicated using the Cyrillic number system based on the alphabetical notation of numbers using the Cyrillic or Glagolitic alphabet (Table 1).
  • Starting in 1718, they began to switch to Arabic numerals.
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This is like real bizarre.
  • I can't find any Russian pre-1700 dated coins.
  • I can't find any Russian book printed before 1700 and dated with a number starting with ҂Ѕ.
  • How do we know that this ҂ has anything to do with thousands?
  • May be @Cemen could help out with images of pre-1700s coins and/or documents.
Year: 475 = i475 = 1475?
I will start by saying that 475 is a very important year but it is also an approximate one. In my understanding, this year 475 from Jesus (whatever or whoever Jesus really was) falls within a range. I do not know the +/-, could be 50, or 75, or 100.

Those who follow me are aware that I share an opinion of the so-called Ancient Rome being grossly misrepresented. Yet, something did happen around 475 AD. The narrative insists that it was the gradual fall of the Western portion of the Roman Empire, with the official date of its dissolution being 476 AD.
  • And a millennium long Dark Ages period descended upon Europe.
    • Collapsed in 475 AD.
  • Yet somehow, the Eastern side survived and lasted a millennium longer.
    • Collapsed in 1453 AD.
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One wouldn't have to be a brainiac to suspect that 475 AD and 1453 AD could either be about 22 years apart, and signified the end of the same historical entity (whatever it was).
  • This assumption requires being familiar with most of the articles present on this blog, or with the topic at hand in general.
This is the point, where some of the older texts could come helpful. Considering that we count from Jesus, I wanted to offer this Book of Revelation analysis done in 1690s.
  • We need to remember that 1690 was well into the post-Scaligarian time frame, and the dates could be off by ~1,000 years.
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The contents, for the most part, are well beyond my level of comprehension. It does appear to me that what we have here, contains some sort of a key to the chronology shenanigans.
  • Note: Jehovah is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה‎ Yəhōwā, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה‎ (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible and is considered one of the seven names of God in Judaism.
  • What could j or J really stand for?
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I did read quite a few pages from the above book, and I'm not going to pretend that I understood their calculations. I thought I was close a few times, but that's where it ended. Yet, some things do not require too much brain:
  • How could "that prudent Historian" Socrates note Cyril of Alexandria in his works? Cyril of Alexandria was born 775 years after Socrates died.
  • Year 437 AD - the precise Year from whence the Lord of Times and Seasons thought good to date the beginning of his Times, or Reign.
    • Daniel 2:21 - It is God who alters the times and seasons, and he removes kings and promotes kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
    • KD: Not like I'm questioning God here, but... why would God date the beginning of his Times starting with 437 AD?
      • And what could it mean for us and for chronological issues.
      • Could it be that 437 AD = i437 = j1? (Jehovah?)
  • Year 475 AD - the Fall of the Western Emperor.
    • This is the alleged fall of the narrative provided Western Roman Empire.
    • At the beginning of 476 AD, the Eighth King was supposed to come to power.
The Ten Kings of the Bible
I do not believe in prophesies, and I'm far from being religious. I think there are those who know, and those who don't. Imho, the Bible is either a preplanned (by the SkyLab) roadmap, or was written after the events took place. For what it's worth...

Revelation 17:9-11.
  • 9: This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
  • 10: they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.
  • 11: As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.
Daniel 7:23-24.
  • 23: Thus he said: 'As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces.
  • 24: As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings.
It is my understanding that noone really knows who these seven kings were, let alone who the eighth (9th and 10th) was supposed to be.
  • Speculations are abundant: one, two, three, four, etc.​
  • To be honest, this stuff sounds like a child paraphrasing a technical manual he/she does not understand. Then the rest of the world is trying to recreate the technical manual based on the produced mumbo-jumbo. There we go...
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For myself, I see the following:
  • Something happened... in 400s AD or 1400s or i400s or j400s
    • Western Roman Empire collapsed in 475 AD (possibly in i475 or 1475)
    • Eastern Roman empire collapsed in 1453 (possibly in i453 or 453 AD)
  • America was gifted to us in 1492 (possibly in i475 or 475 AD)
  • The printing press invented in Europe in 1440s (possibly in i440s or 440s AD)
  • 450s AD (and slightly beyond) were one endless cataclysm
  • Vesuvius erupted in 472 AD (possibly in 1472 or i472 or 1482 or i482 or 482 AD)
  • Peter the Great possibly accepted the standard in 1492 (possibly in i492 or 492 AD)
  • Etc, etc, etc...
And all of this was followed up with the emergence of the Capriccio Ruin depicting Art.

Event Overlapping: 1400s with 1600s
I suspect that most of the events that took place in 1400s and in 1600s happened during the span of the same 100 years. The best worded argument supporting this notion will obviously be this article:
  • X-185 Chronology: Another mental map for the discovery of America
  • The official year 1520 corresponds to the year 1705 real, and coincides with four capital episodes:
    • 1) with the previous stage to the fall of the headquarters of Rhodes of the Order of Saint John, heir of the Order of the Temple of Solomon:
    • 2) with the beginning of the European fight for the control of Italy, Rome and the Crown of the Spanish; 3) with the taking of possession of Mexico, by Cortés (which would be the Count of Ribagorça and Cortés, imperial blood from Constantinople, from Laskaris Comnenus family, leaders from the Constantinian Order of Saint George); and
    • 4) with the beginning of the so-called Christian Schism of the West, which began in 1520 (1705) with the work The captivity of Babylon, written by Martin Luther.
  • The official year 1540 corresponds to the year 1725, and it coincides with the founding of the Society of Jesus, which in a few decades directs the reconstruction of history with the collaboration of the main imperial headquarters of Europe, North Africa, Middle East, Persia, India, China, Japan and America. This production fills the history books with the imaginary of the 16th and 17th centuries, all of them books published from then on but with dates sent to the past.
  • In 1725 the Treaty of Vienna is agreed, which ends decades of struggles throughout Europe. The agreements become a global pact that legitimizes the distribution of half the world between the recently recreated European states. The Society of Jesus was created then, not before, and its main business was to spread the Messianic Bible and reconstruct history by reconciling all the calendars of the world.
Personally, I do not think one can quantify the exact number of years during the overlapping - MIXED - period. I think the dates of various "one and the same" type of events were adjusted independently. These, probably, belong in there too.
  • Pompeii Destruction: 1482 and 1631 - 149 years apart.
    • In fake years we get 1631 - 482 = 1,149 years
      • 1,149 years is close to 1,152 (the Birth of Jesus per Fomenko)
    • This event was very popular. It has two additional dates - 79 AD and in 472 AD.
  • Columbus vs Peter the Great: 1492 and 1700 - 208 years apart.
Additionally, if "i, I, j, J" do signify an extra 1,000 of years, but Jesus was indeed born in 1,152 AD...
  • Wouldn't we get "+152 years" to the time line?
And then, we possibly have these 222 years over 1,000 to consider.
  • I am not sure whether these speculative calculations are somehow related to the X-185 issue. Unfortunately, I do not have enough biblical knowledge to dismiss these 222 years. I am not a Biblical scholar and calculation pertaining to Gentile Months are beyond my abilities.
  • The Gentile Times Reconsidered
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I created a possible timeline, but then realized that it was off, and I do not mean the spacing between events. Because of this X-185 factor, we do not really know what happened when. When 1540=1725, 1482=1631 and 1491=1699, it's virtually impossible to place most of the 15-17th century events on the time line. I will publish it purely because of the 869 years of somewhat known history we have.
  • I was gonna create another timeline with the Birth of Jesus at Year Zero, but that's where the above donned on me.
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Queen Christina
Christina, a member of the House of Vasa, was Queen of Sweden from 1632 until her abdication in 1654. Christina abdicated her throne on 6 June 1654 in favor of her cousin Charles Gustav.
1626 – 1689
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Why do we have some Queen of Sweden included in this article? Here is why:
    • The painting represents the Carousel organized in Palazzo Barberini in honor of the Queen Christina from Sweden, who had come to Rome in 1655 after her conversion into Catholicism and the renunciation at the crown.
    • The event is described with extraordinary attention to detail, giving each of the many characters a surprising individuality.
It is important to remember that it was an actual event "described with extraordinary attention to detail" by Filippo Gagliardi and Filippo Lauri.
  • This is not some made up event. We are being told that it actually happened.
  • Are "those" real, or dressed up/artificial?
    • I am not quite sure what the meaning of "Carousel' was in 1656.
Question #1: Who could this be?
  • Version #1: Christ
  • Version #2: Antichrist
  • Verion #3: Role playing
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On the above image we clearly have the the ancient Roman god Janus. He is the god of beginnings, gates, transitions, time, duality, doorways, passages, frames, and endings.
What beginnings, transitions and endings did we have in 1656 AD, and what kind of accurate depiction of a real event is this?
  • Check this dragon looking thing out? Did they have the real thing out there?
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The above event was dated with 1656. What could be the uncorrupted date of this event (with the birth of Jesus serving as a count off starting point)?
  • 1656 = i656 = 656 AD?
  • 1656 - 1152 = 504 AD?
  • i656 - 185 = 471 AD?
  • i656 - 208 = 448 AD?
QUESTION: We didn't miss out on the Millennial Kingdom, didn't we?



KD: I'm back to square one as far as our chronology goes. What year is it today? Anyways, I'm done. Please feel free to contribute.
 

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they started counting and they wrote books about it so this is like the goalpost in history
Here's my problem, as always, although I find the doubling idea interesting. Who is "they"? I think we can start to identify a few key players, like Scalinger, and maybe even implicate whole organizations, but "controlling history" is a continuous effort with many interested parties. It's not apparent to me that all alterations to the chronology are done by the same group for the same reasons.

I want to say that I suspect there have been many changes to the timeline of history, but I think that almost goes without saying. The entire concept of a coherent timeline entirely dependent on the culture at the time and how widespread it is. I mean, it's not 2021 for every person in the world, even now.

Basically I think it's probably far too simplistic to think that there's some sort of mathematical equation to get the "correct year." The very premise of how we calculate time is an arbitrary conception and not necessarily one that previous civilizations shared (or even sects of the same religion, thinking about the various symbols to seemingly denote time since Christ).

I absolutely do think that asking specific questions though could yield a look at the bigger pictures, such as the when Jesus question. If one finds that out though, I don't think it should become the new baseline to extrapolate from. I honestly think this desire to provide the "master key" is super dangerous and largely to blame for the situation we find ourselves in with academia. We should be building on our predecessors' data, not their conclusions.
 
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    Mind your own busines😳
    In another topic I translated a letter written from the Russian king to the Dutch
    Where he basically said: that the first ruler of Russia (Ryurk) was a direct descendant of Emperor Augustus.
    The Ryurk are supposed to be Vikings. They found "evidence" in different Iceland saga's.
    So.
    If the Vikings were not the Vikings we think they were, but actually highly skilled Roman Emperors, then indeed a Viking/ .... Leif Eriksson was the "first" to set foot in north America around 1000 aD
    Off course they recently 'found' evidence for Vikings tot confirm this story.
    They had to dig it out and replicate it "as it was in that era", but it looks like what we may expect from Vikings
    👉 vi- king .... Forced king.

    For me, yes.
    Some big event took place and they started counting and they wrote books about it so this is like the goalpost in history.
    Most history books speak of "the year of Holy ieso Christus ...."

    If you want to "fraude" you have to fraud the mainstream narrative, not come up with too much new.
    You have to change the goalpost, not totally remove it.

    Most of them people are blatant narcissist and megalomaniac.
    I'd go for this.
    VI Kings = 6 Kings. Maybe the original faces on Mount Rushmore were them? Apparently that place was known as The Six Grandfathers
    Can it get more obvious?

    Also, the Philadelphia dollar from 1776 is VERY interesting. It depicts a pyramid on a round plateau. The same thing can be seen on this image
    I really want to know what the purpose of this is? These plateaus look like tree stumps.
     

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    VI Kings = 6 Kings. Maybe the original faces on Mount Rushmore were them? Apparently that place was known as The Six Grandfathers
    Can it get more obvious?
    Yes this mountain, "founded" by (Douane) Robinson Crusoe (the crusader)...

    They 'carved' the false history in stone.
    But not only that.

    Lakota leader black Elk - - order of the Elks* 🤔
    Lakota leader Red Cloud - - Eric the Red, father of Leif Eriksson.
    Black Elk peak - - Sioux name: Owl maker - - Owl of Minerva

    Black Elk peak seems to have a very ancient fort on top. 🤔

    *Order of the Elks is a really strange order since. +/- 1880
    Many famous people were/ are member and it is a heavy patriottic pro-usa (against communism, socialism) fraternety.
    They have taken over ("founded") many Roman/ Greek/ whatever buildings in the USA.
    The same thing can be seen on this image
    This is the city map of Cairo, with the pyramids and the cheops apparently standing on leftover (chopped?) base of those ancient huge trees.
    Interesting. Is Babylon Cairo? Buried under sand?
    What always puzzled me is that there is a wall, it seemed an old one, between the busy city and the consuming desert.
    And the cheops and pyramids are just behind that wall, not far away.
    But it is a low wall, you can sit on it from the streets of Cairo side.

    It makes you feel as if you step into a huge bassin filled with sand.
     

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    1152: The birth of Jesus, per Fomenko.
    Originally, as you know, he thought Jesus was born in 1052/1053 (don't remember) and died in 1085. Then he changed by 100 years. I have the suspect that he did it to sincronize it with Russian/Tartarian history beginning with the so-called Mongol invasion, thus claiming that the Russians were the original Romans.

    I am a huge fan/reader of Fomenko but this part it seems to me eccesively biased and ultimately not very believable. Just my opinion.

    On the other hand, leaving Jesus' death in 1085, makes possible to say that the Western Normans/Romans attacked Jerusalem for revenge. This was the prevalent tale told in the middle-ages with the crusaders going there to make justice of his murderers.
     
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    I wouldn't know either way. I was trying to play with the zodiac circle and it's a b*tch to work with. Ancients had to be a bit smarter than we are taught, to come up with something like that. From what we have for world historical events, 1152 makes way more sense. He is a mathematician, as far as we know. All his calculations in reference to zodiacs and corresponding celestial bodies are available to those who want to disprove what he came up with. As far as I'm aware, noone was able to do that.
     

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    I wouldn't know either way. I was trying to play with the zodiac circle and it's a b*tch to work with. Ancients had to be a bit smarter than we are taught, to come up with something like that. From what we have for world historical events, 1152 makes way more sense. He is a mathematician, as far as we know. All his calculations in reference to zodiacs and corresponding celestial bodies are available to those who want to disprove what he came up with. As far as I'm aware, noone was able to do that.
    His identification of the Habsburgs with the Muscovite tzars is very weak though. He used his year- counting method and the graph he obtained is not convincing to me. On the other hand the correspondence of Norman history with the Roman one is quite spectacular. Both conquered Italy, both conquered England and many more similitudes going through their crusades in the East with the creation of Norman-Frank territories in the Mediterranean.

    While a great deal of distortions are necessary to say that Russians/Tartars went in Western Europe... imo
     
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    Where he basically said: that the first ruler of Russia (Ryurk) was a direct descendant of Emperor Augustus.
    The Ryurk are supposed to be Vikings. They found "evidence" in different Iceland saga's.
    So.
    If the Vikings were not the Vikings we think they were, but actually highly skilled Roman Emperors, then indeed a Viking/ .... Leif Eriksson was the "first" to set foot in north America around 1000 aD
    I agree. The Vikings, aka Normans, aka Romans
     

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    This is the city map of Cairo, with the pyramids and the cheops apparently standing on leftover (chopped?) base of those ancient huge trees.
    Interesting. Is Babylon Cairo? Buried under sand?
    What always puzzled me is that there is a wall, it seemed an old one, between the busy city and the consuming desert.
    And the cheops and pyramids are just behind that wall, not far away.
    But it is a low wall, you can sit on it from the streets of Cairo side.

    It makes you feel as if you step into a huge bassin filled with sand.
    Indeed there is. It was what also came to my mind before making that post.

    pyramids-of-giza-cairo-egypt-most-beautiful-picture-1574173444k8n4g.jpg

    Imagine what could be discovered if one day they dig them out completely.

    Also, take note of the golf course. Making an important area into a golf course (a national park or flooding it with a dam) to cover up what ever lies beneath has got to be one of the favorite things to do, for the elite.

    It is blatantly obvious in this case, too.
     

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    • Contributing factors: j, J, i, I
    Fomenko suggested that these letters stood for:
    Naturally, 1576 AD would not be equal to I576.
    • 1576 - year 1576 from Jesus
    • I576 - year 576 from Jesus
    • I576 + 1000 = 1576
    • I576 ≠ 1576
    The above explanation appears to be working until we run into dates looking like this.

    There is a tricky thing to add to this aspect.
    Dionysius Exiguus, founder of the Anno Domini chronology, discovered to be 525 years away from Christ's birth (which is nowadays thought to be in error of some years). That said all the eventual dates reported with an i or j should have followed at least that 525 AD (532 AD even better). It is also said that the the Anno Domini was in fact popularized by Bede with his Historia Ecclesistica (731 AD).
     
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    It's all in the Bible. I'm giving away things here, lol. The Day of the Lord...
    • But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
    • That is an event after the Flood....
    And this here is from the OP.

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    Indeed there is. It was what also came to my mind before making that post.


    Imagine what could be discovered if one day they dig them out completely.

    Also, take note of the golf course. Making an important area into a golf course (a national park or flooding it with a dam) to cover up what ever lies beneath has got to be one of the favorite things to do, for the elite.

    It is blatantly obvious in this case, too.
    I have a feeling golf courses are used to hide some geographical features, happens far to often around star forts to be a coincidence.

    Pretty sure there is a big fort just out of shot in his frame.
     

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    It's all in the Bible
    much refers to an aeon ... 4 elements, 4 colors, 4 ages, 4 ruling planets aka lord or god are covered in that tome

    earth, fire, water, air
    black, yellow, white, red

    Taurus the ox, copper
    Aries the ram, iron
    Pisces the fish, tin
    Aquarius the man with the water pitcher of life, lead *

    there are other age references sprinkled through like the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, each metal/alloy (based on ruling planet metal):

    Leo, gold head
    Cancer, silver torso
    Gemini + Taurus, kind of an amalgam to create brass (+silver? mercury, copper, tin) belly **
    Aries, iron legs
    Pisces, feet of miry clay aka iron and clay (a song of fire and ice) ***

    * note the red letters for words spoken by an air sign icon

    ** when Simon Peter was hanged upside down, (Jupiter's metal is tin) it flipped Jupiter's houses of Sagittarius and Pisces with Mercury's houses of Virgo and Gemini. thinking that this could work as it is the mutable cross on the zodiac

    *** iron rusts when exposed to water, the reason for clay is that water from Pisces is mixed with earth from Virgo (see ** above) and mercury does not blend with iron so it is weak

    there are many layers in nearly every allegory, in the current zodiac there are 12 houses: 3 basic states for each element (liquid, solid, gas) × 4 elements - will stop here

    KD - move this post if it would be better elsewhere
     
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    Also, the Philadelphia dollar from 1776 is VERY interesting. It depicts a pyramid on a round plateau. The same thing can be seen on this image
    Please call me stupid but I never knew This , This , This ....
    All Cajus Cestius pyramyds?
    Cajus, Cajrus (Cairo), Cyril, Gaius....
    I'm currently working on something, and that could change your opinion :)
    A nice book where you can look up of the future spouse is approved.
    Destroyed by the Sovjets in 1945, but arised from the ashes again recently.
     

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    Making an important area into a golf course (a national park or flooding it with a dam) to cover up what ever lies beneath has got to be one of the favorite things to do, for the elite.
    Are we sure it isn't more a case that we are literally tripping over remnants of previous civilizations all across the Earth? I mean, we have structures beneath almost every major city too... So I could as easily say they like building Wal-Marts to cover up what's underneath.

    It's all another benefit of the concept of land ownership. Aside from maybe your own backyard, no one is digging anything up anywhere without special permission. The reason you aren't digging up a golf course is the same as why the Ghostbusters couldn't dig up First Avenue in NYC. "Claiming" everything confers power in more ways than one and played a huge role in establishing modern civilization and it's accepted chronology.
     
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    Are we sure it isn't more a case that we are literally tripping over remnants of previous civilizations all across the Earth? I mean, we have structures beneath almost every major city too... So I could as easily say they like building Wal-Marts to cover up what's underneath.

    It's all another benefit of the concept of land ownership. Aside from maybe your own backyard, no one is digging anything up anywhere without special permission. The reason you aren't digging up a golf course is the same as why the Ghostbusters couldn't dig up First Avenue in NYC. "Claiming" everything confers power in more ways than one and played a huge role in establishing modern civilization and it's accepted chronology.
    maybe.

     

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    Are we sure it isn't more a case that we are literally tripping over remnants of previous civilizations all across the Earth? I mean, we have structures beneath almost every major city too... So I could as easily say they like building Wal-Marts to cover up what's underneath.

    It's all another benefit of the concept of land ownership. Aside from maybe your own backyard, no one is digging anything up anywhere without special permission. The reason you aren't digging up a golf course is the same as why the Ghostbusters couldn't dig up First Avenue in NYC. "Claiming" everything confers power in more ways than one and played a huge role in establishing modern civilization and it's accepted chronology.
    While there might very well be ruins of the past beneath every metre of every major city, think about how ridiculous that giant golf course right in front of the great pyramids looks.

    The fact that basically all powerful people of todays world play golf, of all sports, should also raise an eyebrow (golf rumors?). It is quite the mocking picture, that reveals itself, when you consider the fact, that they literally play games on some past peoples graves.

    Now I realize I sound like someone who just wants to hate on "the elite" (without any more concrete examples at hand), so let me give credit to the person who really sparked this theory in me:


    The simplest way to confirm how valid this theory is, would be to search for interesting landmarks on google earth / bing maps and see if there is any golf course near by.
     
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    I didn't notice it in the original post, but
    we run into dates looking like This
    I didn't notice it before but king Richard 3 did not live in 1189 according to Wikipedia and some other sources but in 1485. Only the Jewish say so.

    Another 1189 source about Jewish massacre.

    I don't understand this. How many Richard 3's were there? It's not the first time I encounter "double" kings.

    Edit: I was too quick, they say 1189 is Richard 1. I read "third" instead of first.
     

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    The simplest way to confirm how valid this theory is, would be to search for interesting landmarks on google earth / bing maps and see if there is any golf course near by
    That's sort of my point though. I could show you many interesting landmarks near any of the places I've resided in my lifetime, not located next to golf courses. To my eyes, signs of the previous civilization are literally everywhere, which includes golf courses.

    Are they hiding something in the golf courses by Giza? Most likely, but they're also hiding something underneath the pyramids themselves. And new office buildings. And the roads. And airports. And the parks... etc, etc.

    So I don't really know what the "golf course theory" really tells us or what it's trying to explain. Is there something under every golf course? Possibly, but probably not. Are there specific things that are hidden under golf courses in particular, a sort of labelling system? Maybe, but we'd need to know what's under them to be sure and that's the problem here. Is golf itself some sort of elite symbolic ritual? Again maybe, but then we would need to determine for who specifically and towards what end. Not all secret societies are created equally, nor do they necessarily get along. And it's doubtful that everyone with some money and a golf membership is part of a nebulous "cabal" which theories like this basically require to be viable.

    We live in a world where we have buildings of unknown origin underneath our roads, exposed to the public for decades, and basically no one blinks an eye. The narrative is all the camouflage required in most cases. And as usual, I severely doubt the level of coordination involved to find massive, worldwide directives to cover up certain antiquities with golf courses specifically. The people who have adjusted history are legion, with various goals and agenda. Egypt itself and Egyptology as a whole has a complicated history with specific, assorted stakeholders, initiated by Napoleon and developed by the French in the 19th century. It's unique and one of the only places in the world where the mystery surrounding its history and construction is known to the average person. For that fact alone, I'm not anxious to apply any of the "history occulting" procedures found there as some sort of "standard operating procedure."
     

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