Ancient TOP 9, and their Coats of Arms

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Those things you run into while doing a little research here and there. Apparently, the medieval people had their own TOP 9 of the historical, scriptural, and legendary personages who personify the ideals of chivalry. At least this is the official explanation provided by the contemporary science. This TOP 9 is titled "The Nine Worthies". There are tons of 14th century images pertaining to the topic. The time frame of the creation of these "Nine Worthies" is outside of the 15th century (1418) when Poggio Bracciolini gave us the World of Antiquities. (I know, I have not presented this Bracciolini guy just yet). For more of the "official" TOP 9 stuff you can visit Hugh O’Reilly's article.

That image below is the thirteenth century (according to wikipedia) carving "Nine Good Heroes" at City Hall in Cologne, Germany. It is the earliest known representation of the Nine Worthies. I was unable to figure out the creator of such a wonderful piece of art. Various sites contradict the date of creation providing as late as 1385-96. The oldest part of today's City Hall of Cologne is the so-called Saalbau, which replaced a previous Romanesque style council building of 1135 on the same location. The Saalbau dates back to 1330 and is named after the Hansasaal.

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(from left to right)
The three Christians:
The three pagans:
The three Jews:
Pretty sure that all of the symbols on their shields present a certain interest. As well as their appearance, and the bizarre order they are situated in. Yet, Alexander the Great with his griffon upon the shield is reminiscent of the flag of the Great Tartary.

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In 1312, Jean de Longuyon presented three triads of warrior heroes as models of chivalry. It was one of the most popular romances of the 14th century, and introduces the concept of the Nine Worthies. From this perspective, it appears that the story came out before the carving was done. Yet, when dealing with recorded times, one ca never be sure of what happened when.

The order in which these "Nine Worthies" are situated, is also raising a question. Why are they lined up like that. I understand that we have Arabic, Farsi, Hebrew, etc., where people read from right to left, but this is Cologne, Germany.

The next obvious issue is the unnatural appearance for some of the presented historical individuals. They look like they belong to the same time frame, while in reality there are thousands of years between some of them. Sure enough, we can explain it away with the "artistic vision". But what is the real reason? Could it be similar to Pompeii, or Cleopatra?

Then, as usually, we run into little inconsistencies. This time it is Coat of Arms related. Alexander ditches his griffon, and gets himself a lion. There could be more of those inconsistencies, but I have not checked yet. Could be an interesting thing to investigate, considering that we see a few of the modern countries reflected in those shield designs.

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Coat of Arms related Medieval Crucifixion Interpretation
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In the late fourteenth century, Lady Worthies began to accompany the Nine Worthies, though usually not individualized and shown as anonymous Amazon-styled warriors. In later years, nine of the "Most Illustrious Ladies of All Ages and Nations" were chosen from scripture, history and legend to be placed alongside their male counterparts, though the choices for the Lady Worthies were not usually standardized and often varied by region, author and artist.

In the German Renaissance (15th-16th centuries), Hans Burgkmair made a set of six woodcuts, each showing three of the "Eighteen Worthies". In addition to the usual males, his prints showed the Pagan Lucretia, Veturia and Virginia, the Jewish Esther, Judith and Yael, and the Christian Helena, Bridget of Sweden and Elizabeth of Hungary.

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And finally, there are tons of "The Nine Worthies" images coming from the 14th,15th, and 16th centuries. None of those represent some of the well known historical characters in the way commonly associated with people like Hector, Julius Caesar, Alexander,and such.

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JULIUS CAESAR

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KD Opinion: Pretty sure no professional 21st century historian wants to see Julius Caesar looking like this. Yet, quite a few of those 14th, 15th and 16th century artists have their own opinion on this matter. According to our scientists those artists were stupid, or ridiculously creative, and had no idea what they were depicting for a few hundred years straight. Then came our "Dogmatic History", and saved the day.

Or could it be that these NINE were the rulers of the World who lived at the same time, and were relatively contemporary to the artists depicting them? Too bad we will never find out.

G8 Summit vs G9 Summit

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Looks like Caesar had the last laugh

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Well put together. When statues and painting where the methods that artists used, I sure they didn't just decide to make some junk when it could take years to create their work, I imagine a great deal of thought went in to them.
 

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i agree with you, these people meant something else, historians just put the name of some random well know knight below them, also how did they know so many historical figures that were mostly forgotten by then?
 
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And in reference to whatever is going through the body of the ancient dude above.

Old old russian and other crosses

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By the way, does it look like our Julius Caesar has more fingers than he should? How many do you see?

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Did Adam have 6 fingers?
Yet again there was war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; and he also was born to the giant
Anne Boleyn was rather tall of stature, with black hair, and an oval face of a sallow complexion, as if troubled with jaundice. It is said she had a projecting tooth under the upper lip, and on her right hand six fingers …
 

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That's cool I've never seen such crosses! What do they mean? That's a relief from Sumeria, so if it's related then it's very old.

And I counted 6 at first, but I think it's just an unfortunate piece of cloth.
 
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That's cool I've never seen such crosses! What do they mean? That's a relief from Sumeria, so if it's related then it's very old.

And I counted 6 at first, but I think it's just an unfortunate piece of cloth.
Irminsul - was a sacral pillar-like object attested as playing an important role in the Germanic paganism of the Saxon people. The oldest chronicle describing an Irminsul refers to it as a tree trunk erected in the open air. The purpose of the Irminsuls and the implications thereof have been the subject of considerable scholarly discourse and speculation for hundreds of years.
 

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Irminsul - was a sacral pillar-like object attested as playing an important role in the Germanic paganism of the Saxon people. The oldest chronicle describing an Irminsul refers to it as a tree trunk erected in the open air. The purpose of the Irminsuls and the implications thereof have been the subject of considerable scholarly discourse and speculation for hundreds of years.
Of course it's German.... Apparently the Hittites came from Sumer, expanded into Europe, and became the Germans and never stopped using the double headed eagle. Carmen > Karmen > German. I saw a proof of this yesterday, I'll provide it soon.
 

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Hittites – A Canaanites tribe
According to the mysterious but incredible Table of Nations, these Hittites were brown descendants of Heth, son of Canaan. The name Hittite comes from the name Heth. It means “warrior”.
Numbers 13:29 speaks of the Hittites as dwelling in the hill country. This also harmonizes with what archaeology has shown us. The Hittites greatest power was in modern Turkey but extended down to the hill country north of Canaan. The Hittites settled down mostly in central Anatolia, while the Luvians established themselves in the southwest, and the Palaians spread out to the north. They were called the Hatti.
During the time of King David and Solomon the Hittites were on the control of the nation of Israel. II Chronicles 8:7 tells us that Solomon levied a tribute on “the people that were left of the Hittites.”
Studies at Hattusas, the capital of the Hittite Empire, has revealed that the Hittites were a mighty nation. In II Kings 7:6 the Hittites are joined with the ancient Egyptians against Samaria. They said, “Lo, the king of Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us.”
Fall of the Hittites
However, it was not Assyria which caused the fall of the Hittite Empire. The blow was delivered by the so-called “Sea People,”. This was a group who attacked much of the Middle East by land and sea around 1200 BC. The Sea People are believed to be the people of Phoencian. The people of Phoencian were Canaanites according to new DNA research.
During the same timeframe, a new wave of people swept into the region, the Phrygians. Even the might of the Hittite Empire could not hold back the tide.
Where did the Hittites Go?
When Phrygians moved through the Anatolian Peninsula, they drove many of the Hittites into the lands of Syria. But that is not the only place they went.
Notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica says: “The earliest known inhabitants of the country [Germany] were the Chatti, who lived here during the first century a.d. ‘Alike both in race and language,’ says Walther Schultze, ‘the Chatti and the Hessi are identical’” (”Hesse,” vol. 13). Furthermore, the Old High German spelling of Hesse was Hatti!
They were the Hessians in history. The Hessians were known for the military skill and worked as Mercenaries. The Hessian army were the same people who fought George Washington on Christmas Day crossing the Delaware. Also Napoleon marched into Germany to unseat the Hessian Prince, Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau. He left $3,000,000 to Nathan Mayer and fled to Denmark. The money was never returned to Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau. This is how Nathan Mayer Rothschild got their start, they invested this money and started their own banks. Also rented out the Hessiah Army!!!
Creation Wiki says, “Heth” The only dark people anywhere on the face of this planet bearing the name Hatti or Chatti (that is, Hittites) are amongst the American Indians. Europeans first encountered them in New England and in the plains of America. The inter-tribal name of the plains confederation of the Indians was “Chatti”. The main tribe was the Sioux, living in both North and South Dakota. Even today, they call themselves Očhéti Šakówį.
They are an exception to the rule that the American Indians are brachycephalic (i.e. round-headed), a characteristic of Mongoloids- the Sioux are actually long-headed (dolichocephalic). Their features are quite different too. For example, their noses are hooked and longer than most Indians.

http://12tribehistory.com/the-ancient-people-in-the-middle-east-where-are-they-today/
 

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In the above depiction of the 9 Worthies, 3 are holding a globus cruciger. "To citizens of the Roman Empire, the plain round globe held by Jupiter represented the world, or the universe, as the dominion held by the emperor. " The cross on top is a Constantine-era addition and in referring to the cross, Constantine declares (supposedly by divine inspiration) "In this sign you shall conquer". A Christianized pagan-Roman creation for conquering and world dominion. "The orbis terrarum was central to the iconography of the Tetrarchy, representing the Tetrarchs' restoration of security to the Roman world."

Two of the worthies are depicted with triple crowns denoting papacy. "The papal tiara originated from a conical Phrygian cap or frigium.[9][10] Shaped like a candle snuffer, the papal tiara and the episcopal mitre were identical in their early forms.[9] Names used for the papal tiara in the 8th and 9th centuries include camelaucum, pileus, phrygium and pileum phrygium.[9]"

The Phrygian cap, AKA liberty cap signified a people freed of Roman influence and espousing a Republic form of government. Associated with a secret society called Mithraism. "This astrology-centric Roman mystery cult (cultus) projected itself with pseudo-Oriental trappings (known as perserie in scholarship) in order to distinguish itself from both traditional Roman religion and from the other mystery cults. Initiates called themselves syndexioi, those "united by the handshake".


Three worthies have winged creatures on their shields and the 8th one has one on his tunic.
masonic symbol
Aq Bars or Snow Leopard. Symbol of the Russian republic of Tatarstan.


PHOENIX / EAGLE / FALCON / HAWK


These bird symbols have varying significance and meanings, but in short, they represent the mythical Phoenix bird which destroys itself in flames, and then rises from the ashes. The symbolic bird is often depicted with two heads. It can often represent Lucifer, great military strength, force, and fascism.

The 8th one also has the fleur-de-lis on his shield and tunic. "The fleur-de-lis symbol was sporadically used in Babylonian, Indian, Egyptian and Roman architecture, but it is most associated with French royalty and the Church."

triple crown, fleur-de-lis, crossed keys.

One worthy is shown with an irminsul.
The last worthy is seen with King of Jerusalem tunic and shield. And the heraldry of one Worthy is a harp.

All this to say that these many artistic clues seem to indicate a coup of sorts by a Roman-based mystery religion that found itself in competition with early (genuine) Christianity, and either formed a secret society or included the problem of Christianity as a discussion topic for an already existing secret society. It looks like infiltrating the nascent religion, co-opting it and forming the RCC was the answer to maintain and consolidate power while still hiding in plain sight the ancient pagan religion(s).
 
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