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CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY

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It is sad that the biggest source of the history of mankind could become one person's private domain. This is exactly what the Vatican Library, including its Secret Archives, is. The Vatican Library is the inalienable property of the Supreme Pontiff, and it is by his sovereign will that it is open to consultation. Therefore, it is not a public institution. Essentially the Pope is doing us a huge favor by providing limited access to his treasure trove.

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It is not hard to figure out where the initial sources accumulated during the times of Inquisition came from. I doubt that those very old and valuable texts were donated to the Pope. Anyone out here thinks that the 14th, 15th century Vatican was running around purchasing publications? It appears to me that the initial 200-300 years of the collection were outright stolen from the righteous owners.

Who put an end to the Nights Templar in the 14th century? The Pope assisted by the King of France did. It would be naive to think that the most powerful order to ever exist did not have a library of its own. Would it be fair to say that only God and the Pope know what was in that library?

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What about the annihilated Cathars who were wiped out from the face of this Earth by the Pope in the same 14th century? Where did their collected texts end up at? What was in their collection?

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Please don't forget all the tortured and burned at the stake. Where did their property go? The Inquisition funded itself from the property it confiscated. Would you wonder where the literary possessions went?

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And, of course, we have all the reported and unreported book burnings. Allegedly those books were religion related. Our ancient world was full of complex architecture, but all the burnt books were reportedly religious. I do not believe this for a second. There had to be multiple scientific and technology related books. I also do not believe that all those books were burnt. Vatican was accumulating their wealth of knowledge through collecting books, not burning them. There, supposedly, were book "burnings" in Europe, in Americas and wherever else the Papal hand could reach. I, personally, think that all the "important" books ended up in the Vatican Library.

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KD opinion: A serious chunk of the older documents stored in the Vatican Secret Archives were outright stolen from their righteous owners. Who knows, you could be the legal owner of an invaluable book or two, but now they belong to the Pope... too bad the statue of limitations has expired.

Some general Vatican Library info

The Vatican Apostolic Library is the library of the Holy See, located in Vatican City. Formally established in 1475, although it is much older, it is one of the oldest libraries in the world and contains one of the most significant collections of historical texts. It has 75,000 codices from throughout history, as well as 1.1 million printed books, which include some 8,500 incunabula. An incunable, is a book, pamphlet, or broadside printed in Europe before the year 1501. Incunabula are not manuscripts. As of 2014, there are about 30,000 distinct known incunable editions extant.

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The Vatican Library is a research library for history, law, philosophy, science and theology. The Vatican Library is open to anyone who can document their qualifications and research needs. Photocopies for private study of pages from books published between 1801 and 1990 can be requested in person or by mail.

Opened to anyone, LOL: Qualified scholars from around the world, particularly professors and researchers from universities and other institutions of higher education, and other learned persons known for their writings and scholarly publications, are admitted without distinction of race, religion, origin or culture. The admission’s pre-conditions are the availability of space and adequate training, documented and attested by an accredited academic institution. According to a long-standing tradition, inquirers are requested to indicate the nature of their research project.

Customarily, university students are not granted admission. Exceptions may be made for graduate students preparing a doctoral thesis or studying for the degree, e.g. Doctor of Philosophy (PhD), as well as for undergraduate students who have a specific need to consult manuscripts or other materials preserved only in the Vatican Library.

For admission to the regular Library, the following documents are required:
  • a letter of introduction (particularly for first-time applicants) or a document attesting the applicant’s academic qualifications, of which the Library keeps the original or makes a copy;
  • at its own discretion, the Library may require a guarantee letter (for students it is always required)
Question: who on this forum is qualified to visit the Vatican Library? (and I am not event talking about the Secret Archives yet)

Vatican Secret Archives

The Vatican Secret Archives were separated from the library at the beginning of the 17th century; they contain another 150,000 items. The Pope, as Sovereign of Vatican City and having primal incumbency, owns the archives until his death or resignation, with ownership passing to his successor.

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The Vatican Secret Archives have been estimated to contain 85 kilometres (53 mi) of shelving, with 35,000 volumes in the selective catalogue alone. The archives contain the state papers, correspondence, papal account books, and many other documents which the church has accumulated over the centuries.

In the 17th century, under the orders of Pope Paul V, the Secret Archives were separated from the Vatican Library, where scholars had some very limited access to them, and remained closed to outsiders until 1881, when Pope Leo XIII opened them to researchers, more than a thousand of whom now examine some of its documents each year.

KD Opinion: 53 shelf miles of state papers and papal account books? One has to be delusional to believe that. What do 35,000 volumes of the catalogue contain? I bet it's those " many other documents which the church has accumulated [STOLEN] over the centuries".

Access to the Secret Archives
(see if you qualify)
  1. The Archives are open to qualified Researchers from institutions of Higher Education who are conducting a scientific research project and have an adequate knowledge of archive research.
  2. Applications to access to the Archives must be submitted to the Prefect along with a letter of commendation on headed paper by either a recognized institute of research or by a person suitably qualified in historical research (i.e. a full professor).
  3. Applications should include the applicant’s surname, first name(s), qualifications (these must include at least a four-year University degree or equivalent, PhD, research grant; for clergymen: licence or PhD), profession, nationality, home address, address in Rome and purpose of the research.
  4. Enclose a copy of the Degree Certificate, a copy of a valid identification document (ID Card or Passport) and a passport photo, which will be applied on the Entry Card that will allow you to have access to the Vatican City and the Archives Study Rooms.
  5. Entry Cards expire on 30th June of each year and could be renewed only after handing back the expired one.
  6. Undergraduate students are not granted admission into the Archives.
  7. In order to allow access to as many Researchers as possible, according to the number of seats available, access is usually not permitted to more than one researcher working on the same topic.
  8. The Archives are open to Researchers from 1st October to 30th June (8:30 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.) from Monday to Saturday. The Admissions Secretary issues Entry Cards from Monday to Friday from 8:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. Closing periods and days are available on the «Archives Calendar». The Bursar’s Office is open to Scholars every day from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon.
  9. Scholars holding an Entry Card have access to the Archives from Monday to Saturday, between 8:30 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. A written motivation must be submitted to the Prefect to request afternoon access (from 2:00 p.m. to 4:45 p.m.).
  10. It is forbidden to bring bags, briefcases/computer bags, ballpoint pens, fountain pens, felt-tip pens, etc., cameras, food and drinks into the Study Rooms. Mobile phones must be kept switched off. In case, please, ask the Study Room staff members for permission to use electronic devices not listed above.
  11. Only documents up (until) the end of the Papacy of Pius XI (10th February 1939) can be viewed, except when a document is covered by the provisions set out in articles 39 and 40 of the Vatican Law on the Archives of the Holy See.
  12. Archival material request forms are available and can be used to request no more than three volumes or folders per day. Requests are accepted only up until 12:00 noon; requests made after this time (and during the afternoon timetable) will not be accepted. The Scholar could ask to keep in deposit for some day up to three archival items.
  13. All volumes and documents must be handled with the utmost care. It is strictly forbidden to write, even in pencil, on archival documents or to place paper or any other objects on the material. Furthermore, the order of the papers of the archival items must not be altered when reading them.
  14. Scholars who need to take notes, may only use graphite-pencils. Ballpoint-pens, fountain-pens, felt-tip pens, etc., are strictly forbidden.
  15. If the volume, the folder or the document handed to the Scholar is in a poor state of conservation or shows any problem whatsoever, the Scholar must inform the staff members in the Study Room.
  16. It is strictly forbidden to take documents out of the Study Room.
  17. Indexes must be read in the Index Room and put back in their place. Scholars are not allowed to totally or even partially produce photocopies of these volumes.
  18. All Printed material must be viewed in the “Sisto V” Study Room, where it is also possible to access digital copies of the original registers and documents on CD-Rom and DVD-Rom, using specially-dedicated stations, as well as to read the electronic versions of the indexes and inventories available in the intranet. Scholars are not allowed to produce full or even partial photocopies of the printed material.
  19. Silence must be observed at all times and in all parts of the Archives. The appropriate dress code and maximum respectfulness for the study environment is required.
  20. Scholars unfamiliar with the Archive fonds and indexes should refer to the reference guidebook found among the tools provided by the Prefecture. They should manage their own researches using the publications available in the Study Rooms. Study Room staff members shall provide researchers with any further information or explanation they may need.
  21. Researchers are not allowed to take pictures of the documents. Copies can be requested by filling out the appropriate form available in the Study Rooms.
  22. In order to publish the picture of a document for editorial and/or exhibition purposes, a prior authorization should be obtained from the Archive Prefecture, by filling out the form “Concessione diritti di utilizzo di immagini per pubblicazioni” (“Granting of the right to use pictures for publications”) available in the Study Rooms.
  23. When Scholars are authorized to access the Archives, they also accept the obligation to send to the Prefecture a copy of their publications, articles in journals, exhibition catalogues, books etc. (either hard copies or electronic format) whenever documents from the Archives are used or cited.
  24. The reference of all volumes and documents should be quoted in the correct and concise form, as indicated in the Index of the Fonds. If in doubt, please ask a staff member in the Study Room. The words
  25. «Archivio Segreto Vaticano» (ASV) must be completed with referral to the Vatican City, and not to Rome.
  26. Those who fail to observe these Rules will no longer be allowed to access the Archives.
Catch 22: To view a document you have to specifically request that specific document. Considering that nobody really knows what's being stored on those 53 miles of shelving, it sounds like an insult to one's personal intelligence. If this is not oxymoronic, I do not know what is.

If you publish a work of your own based on your Secret Archive based research, you are required to provide the Archive with a copy. If they do not like it, good luck visiting the archive again.

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KD Summary: Not much to add here. The Church is quite possibly in possession of the documents, and other objects capable of explaining the origin of mankind, and many other aspects of our real history. I think everybody knows it, I simply put it on paper, so to speak.

Quite a few of those documents were acquired through violence, murder, torture and attacks on Jews, women and minorities. Yet, those invaluable texts are being kept hidden from the public knowledge. The legal definition of a Crime Against Humanity somehow does not list this wrongdoing as one of the crimes. This is truly unfortunate, for I have a term for it:
  • scientific dictatorship
P.S. Of course there are multiple articles telling us how easy it is to conduct a research using the Secret Vatican Archives. Form your own opinion on that.
 

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The Vatican has more than enough money to digitize every document in its possession and make those freely available to the world. Why do they not do this?

What could force them to do this, nothing... And the fact that they have not, just proves that they are hiding something.
 
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Ohh, they are. Unfortunately they will only digitize what they want. If it’s such a Secret Archive why would they do otherwise?

And even then you will need some presidential level access to view that one file per day.

I think we all can kind of figure out why certain groups have secret, and classified information.

I can understand National Security type stuff, where you have names of working and former spies for example, warfare policies, weapon and other military tech docs and such.

But all that classified 500-5000 year old secretive BS we are being fed is just ridiculous. I understand the Vatican protecting their version of Christian religion. But no way do they have 53 miles of texts talking about Jesus being a reptilian, a woman, an extraterrestrial or watever. They can keep all that. It’s the other “secret” info they are hiding from us which is important.

It’s not even their secret to keep. They simply had bigger guns at the time and stole from the weaker.
 
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Quite possible. I’m simply talking about an establishment we do have knowledge of. Pretty sure there are some interesting private collections out there as well.
 

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imho the vatican library was looted by domenico passionei immediately after 1755 on the posthumous wishes of megalonymous and the juicy bits added to the librorum which at that time were being secured by the societas eruditorum incognitorum in terris austriacis under von petrasch. or so i heard or read.

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If genuinely ancient documents exist today in the hands of private collectors, they would have to be extremely well protected, climate controlled, humidity controlled, light controlled, no one allowed to physically handle them without gloves, etc. Who can afford such a room in their house or off site? There are a few billionaires who could afford such, maybe even a few multimillionaires, but of those who might be interested enough in preserving history to maintain such with its accompanying expense and bother?
 
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I think this is a level at which various secret societies kick in. And at this point we probably know what kind of secrets exist out there. I think private collectors with access to artifacts of this nature a very well informed, and connected beyond our wildest imagination.
 

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Beyond the cost and trouble of maintaining such ancient records, there's the whole matter of erasing/altering the official story of history. Why keep damning evidence of your lies around if your intention is to erase such a past? I doubt that secret societies capable of manipulating world events have any sense of sentimentality.
 

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Beyond the cost and trouble of maintaining such ancient records, there's the whole matter of erasing/altering the official story of history. Why keep damning evidence of your lies around if your intention is to erase such a past? I doubt that secret societies capable of manipulating world events have any sense of sentimentality.
i don't think anyone is hiding lies. i think they are hiding answers. our entire civilization is based on mysteries with no answers and that keeps certain entities in power by maintaining massive divisions in society. if science proves mythology to be true then that is the beginning of the beginning. the conquest of the religions. at a certain time in the past there was only 1 truth and 1 reality and it was the same for everyone. the physical proof of that needed to be protected until the right time. enter megalonymous. a multibillionaire 300 years ago and no kids. imagine what his fortune is worth today.

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Thought about your Question, and I would never be granted access, but I knew a guy, fairly well, that is surely qualified, and I wouldn't doubt that he has already been if he had a reason to. Polylingual multiglot specializing in old and dead languages. Haven't been in touch in a few years.

I actually know someone who has been to Antarctica as well. It was cold, everything was white, and they really didn't get out much. Hired help type thing.
 
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Thought about your Question, and I would never be granted access, but I knew a guy, fairly well, that is surely qualified, and I wouldn't doubt that he has already been if he had a reason to. Polylingual multiglot specializing in old and dead languages. Haven't been in touch in a few years.

I actually know someone who has been to Antarctica as well. It was cold, everything was white, and they really didn't get out much. Hired help type thing.
Antarctica is a separate topic and I can easily explain the caveat in your perception on it. We need more threads for n Antarctica I assume.

As far as your qualified friend goes.

Catch 22 in the entire access to the Secret Archives. You need to specifically name the document you are requesting. Hence if you don’t know that document exists, you will never be able to request it.
 

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I really wish humans would wake up and demand to be given access to what belongs to all of humanity... I wish there was a way to couple the current "issues" the church is having and force them into full disclosure.
 
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It appears that top level of all governments, as well as of all religious establishments are all pulling the same sled.

All we can do at this point is to assist with building awareness. Just my opinion.

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All of us were taught how to think, and what to know. It’s harder for some people to even consider things we are talking about, and it’s not their fault.
 

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Well, I guess I'm a bit behind the times. It seems the Vatican library (at least some of it) has been getting digitized since 2015. Who knew? They're willing to release via their digitization process 80,000 manuscripts and so far have 16,000 uploaded. They expect money, of course. Richest city in the world expects us all to pay to get a glimpse of some of the stuff they stole from us. Sigh. Still, it's a step in the right direction.
 

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