Catacombs of Paris, Mud Flood Victims and Unidentified Dead. Reset?

INFO
There are currently seven billion people alive today and the Population Reference Bureau estimates that about 107 billion people have ever lived. This means that we are nowhere close to having more alive than dead. In fact, there are 15 dead people for every person living.

This is one of the articles I wanted to put together for a very long time. A few years ago I wrote this: 16th century Paris: Size vs. Population. The below content is some sort of a byproduct of the above mentioned article, in conjunction with these three:
Any idea of a recent reset (or resets) poses a question of the missing dead. An idea of any Mud Flood related activities poses the same question. It does appear (to a certain degree) that Mud Floods could somehow be related to our possible resets. I do not insist, but this is the impression I have.

As far as Mud Floods go, two time periods stick out. I think these two periods could be traced with visual representations of the mud flooded architecture.

Mud Flood: Period #1
1600-1750
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Above is one of the Giovanni Battista Piranesi's works. He lived between 1720 and 1778. If we consider, that he did witness everything depicted in his works, it gives us a Mud Flood date of approximately 1600-1750. I'm pushing it to 1600's due to Piranesi being just one of the ruin artists (Capriccio) we have. Some earlier ones, like Alessandro Salucci (1590 – c. 1655-60), suggest that the events in question could have taken place as early as 1620's. I do not put too much faith into these dates being accurate, but they can serve as a guidon of sorts.

Pre-period #1 Dead
While questionable, I think Mr. G. B. Piranesi did provide us with a pretty good idea on how that specific spin of our civilization used to handle their dead. The illustration below should speak for itself. Based on the image, it does not appear that the dead were buried in the ground back then.

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I believe that in the above case we could be talking about burial grounds of the cremated Giants. The same Piranesi left us a few images, suggesting that the builders of the insane architecture were quite a bit larger than us.

If those were indeed the Giants, I doubt we would be allowed on this specific knowledge by the current narrative maintenance crew.

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Mud Flood: Period #2
1840-1900
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The reason I think there was a second Mud Flood (and possibly a reset) is due to some drastic architectural differences between the ones presented by the Ruin Artists (like Piranesi), and the 19th century buildings we can witness.

In general, timing these events is hard. On one hand I would like to place this second Mud Flood closer to 1850s, but this Russian building above was allegedly built in 1910s. It appears that we have some major time frame meddling involved, but this article is not about our time frame issues. It's about the dead.

Old Cemeteries
If we go along with the traditional linear development narrative, we would expect to see thousands of very old cemeteries spread out throughout the world. Yet, it does not appear to be the case. As a matter of fact we are provided with 8 oldest cemeteries, which are:
  1. Gross Fredenwalde - c. 8,500 years ago
  2. Kerameikos - c.3000 BCE; first organized cemetery c.1200 BCE
  3. Udegram Cemetery - c. 2,500 – 3,000 years ago
  4. Mount of Olives Jewish Cemetery - c.3,000 years ago
  5. Okunoin Cemetery - c. 819 CE
  6. Heiliger Sand (Holy Sand) - c. 1058
  7. Old Jewish Cemetery in Prague - c. 1439
  8. Myles Standish Burial Ground - c. 1638
Now, I'm pretty sure that the above eight are just a set of older cemeteries somebody put together for the sole purpose of creating content for their website. Are there old cemeteries out there? There sure are, but once you start paying attention, you start noticing this interesting word: "DATED". My personal trust to the dated things is next to none.

Essentially it appears that we do not have any cemeteries older than 500 years old. For that you just have to approach this issue systematically.

For example, the City of London was officially established in 43 CE.
The city of Paris was established God knows when. It appears that it happened some time around 250-225 BCE.
Pick your own city with a very old history, and see how old their local cemeteries are. Also when you run into some 1500 year old graveyard, try to understand where the dates are coming from. In my opinion, those dates are just made up. Kind of similar to the below 2000 year old burial site, located 5 feet deep dead smack in the middle of the street in one of the Russian cities.
  • Yup, 2000 y.o. graves located 5 feet deep. In my opinion these are the Second Mud Flood victims. Of course, pseudo archaeologists know better, and this is claimed to be a Scythian/Meotian Necropolis.

Request: If whoever speaks Russian, could you please translate what the guy in this video is saying?


KD: It appears that we do not have any cemeteries out there to account for the dead as they relate to various historical time frames. Sure we could go with cremations, and some other modes of riddance of the dead bodies. At the same time we pay the due respect to our dead, and we have places to show for it. Why don't they?

It's up to the reader to decide whether our distant ancestors were ignorant enough to not pay proper respect to their dead loved ones.
  • For those forum members who live in some very old cities - what is the oldest cemetery in your neck of the woods?
Catacombs of Paris
6 million skeletons
Some 200 miles of labyrinthine tunnels are believed to exist. Despite the vast length of the tunneled, underground world, only a small section of it is open to the public. This tiny portion (under 1 mile), known as Denfert-Rochereau Ossuary, or more popularly, “The Catacombs,” has become one of the top tourist attractions in Paris.

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I think that the story of the Catacombs of Paris is as suspicious as it gets, in reference to the number of dead people we are presented with.
  • Where could six million skeletons come from by 1780?
Let us look at the narrative compliant version of the issue at hand.


The Narrative: The Catacombs of Paris are underground ossuaries in Paris, France, which hold the remains of more than six million people in a small part of a tunnel network built to consolidate Paris' ancient stone mines. Extending south from the Barrière d'Enfer ("Gate of Hell") former city gate, this ossuary was created as part of the effort to eliminate the city's overflowing cemeteries. Preparation work began not long after a 1774 series of gruesome Saint Innocents-cemetery-quarter basement wall collapses added a sense of urgency to the cemetery-eliminating measure, and from 1786, nightly processions of covered wagons transferred remains from most of Paris' cemeteries to a mine shaft opened near the Rue de la Tombe-Issoire.

The ossuary remained largely forgotten until it became a novelty-place for concerts and other private events in the early 19th century; after further renovations and the construction of accesses around Place Denfert-Rochereau, it was open to public visitation from 1874. Since January 1, 2013, the Catacombs number among the 14 City of Paris Museums managed by Paris Musées. Although the ossuary comprises only a small section of the underground "carrières de Paris" ("quarries of Paris"), Parisians presently often refer to the entire tunnel network as the catacombs.



Essentially what we have is an old, no longer existing cemetery called Holy Innocents' Cemetery. It got overfilled and the dead bodies spilled into the streets of Paris. Authorities had to act, and they allegedly did by moving skeletons to the catacombs.
  • Under the reign of Philip II (1180-1223) the cemetery was enlarged and surrounded by a three-meter-high wall. Les Innocents had begun as a cemetery with individual sepulchres, but by then had become a site for mass graves. People were buried together in the same pit (a pit could hold about 1,500 dead at a time); only when it was full would another be opened.
  • The Holy Innocents' Cemetery is a defunct cemetery in Paris that was used from the Middle Ages until the late 18th century. It was the oldest and largest cemetery in Paris and had often been used for mass graves. It was closed because of overuse in 1780, and in 1786 the remaining corpses were exhumed and transported to the unused subterranean quarries known as the Catacombs.
The below illustration allegedly pertaining to 1550s, was done by Theodor Josef Hubert Hoffbauer who was born in 1839 and died in 1922. This guy has a lot of works, but I was not able to find a single image of his face. Yet, the existence of this "Holy Innocents' Cemetery" is supported by his below painting. Nothing knew there, I'm afraid.

The Holy Innocents' Cemetery, c.1550.
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Holy Innocents' Cemetery allegedly was established in 12th century and got closed in 1780. The dead were moved to the stone quarries below the streets of Paris. Today the quarries are known as the Catacombs of Paris. Did this "Holy Innocents' Cemetery" exist in reality? I do not know, but we sure do have a lot of skeletons in the Paris Catacombs.
  • To me, it looks like there were a whole bunch of people occupying this square simultaneously, and they all got buried by some liquid dirt.
Paris Population
I will refer to the article titled: 16th century Paris: Size vs. Population. You judge for yourself whether 205,882 people per square mile in 1572 is a feasible number. The most populated city of today, which is Manila, has only 107,561 people per square mile. I personally thing that either these numbers are BS, or the true size of the city of Paris in the 16th century is not being revealed to us.

1572: 350,000 people in 1.69 sq mi
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For comparison, this 1878 San Francisco had approximately 230k people living there. The size of 1878 SF was no less than 20 sq. miles (today SF is ~49 sq. miles).

When considering 350,000 people per 1.69 square miles, one has to take the following into account:
KD: Basically, just like I said above, we are either not being told about the true size of the city, or the population of Paris in 1550s was under 50k. Barring the existence of 40 story skyscrapers, I do not know how it's possible to accommodate 350,000 people within 1.69 square miles. When we factor in that there was no known sewer system in place, the numbers sound even more ridiculous. It's not like Earth was overpopulated back then, right? At least officially it was not.

6,000,000 skeletons
where from?
Now, when we have the weird city population issue out of the way, let us talk about the alleged 6 million people who were transferred to the Paris Catacombs. The overwhelming majority was moved from the Holy Innocents' Cemetery, which existed from the 12th century to 1780. Let us take a look at the Paris population by year:
  • year 29BC: 29,000
  • year 1000: 20,000
  • year 1200: 110,000
  • year 1250: 160,000
  • year 1300: 228,000
  • year 1340: 300,000
  • year 1400: 280,000 - Losses of the Black Plague.
  • year 1500: 200,000 - Losses of the Hundred Years' War.
  • year 1550: 275,000 - Renaissance recovery.
  • year 1594: 210,000 - Losses of religious and civil wars.
  • year 1634: 420,000 - Spectacular recovery under King Henry IV and Richelieu.
  • year 1700: 515,000
  • year 1750: 565,000
You gotta love this "spectacular recovery", and "losses". What could be hiding behind these numbers shenanigans?

Once again: The Holy Innocents' Cemetery is a defunct cemetery in Paris that was used from the Middle Ages until the late 18th century. It was the oldest and largest cemetery in Paris and had often been used for mass graves. It was closed because of overuse in 1780, and in 1786 the remaining corpses were exhumed and transported to the unused subterranean quarries known as the Catacombs.
Think about it: Under the reign of Philip II (1180-1223) the cemetery was enlarged and surrounded by a three-meter-high wall.
  • Why bother? No really, why would they build a 10 foot wall for something like this in 1200s?
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As you can see, the Cemetery is located smack dab in the middle of Paris. It's like if there was no available room anywhere else back then.

Guess where the alleged 50,000 victims of the 1347 Black Death go to? Yup, they got buried in the middle of Paris. Why they would keep all those Plague contaminated corpses in the middle of the populated city bits me. I thought those were transported outside of the city limits and covered with bleach or something. Our scientists say that plague-ridden corpses are no danger:
  • There's a common belief that dead bodies pose a major risk of disease, which leads to a lot of hysteria during major epidemics. This is mostly a myth, studies have found.
Question: Anyways, taking the above Paris population numbers into consideration, how do we get 6,000,000 dead people? Even if they had 250,000 people dying in Paris every 33 years for 500 years straight, we would only end up with 4,500,000.

Nice "lil" holes, aren't they?
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From a slightly different perspective, we have well preserved, similar looking skeletal bones, and skulls. Some of the skeletons were supposed to be 500 years old, and some only 10 or so, yet they all look the same. It's like bones do not fall apart, when in reality they clearly do. Additionally, the skeletal remains displayed in the Paris Catacombs look polished and treated.

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KD summary on the Paris: With this interesting Holy Innocents' Cemetery no longer in existence, I will allow myself the following set of speculations:
  • All these people died at the same time. This is why all the bones are in the same place and in a very similar condition.
  • The dead could represent a "reset". Whether they are Mud Flood related, or victims of some "plague" chemical attack remains to be determined.
  • With under 1 out of 200 miles of tunnels being available to public, we cannot be sure that we only have 6 millions of skeletons down there. What if the numbers are 200 times that?
  • We have no idea what exact time period these dead pertain to.
Inspection générale des carrières
The Inspection générale des carrières (IGC) is the organisation which administers, controls and maintains the mines of Paris and catacombs of Paris. It was founded by royal decree of Louis XVI on 4 April 1777 as the 'Service des carrières du département de la Seine'.

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Department of General Quarry Inspection, aka General Inspectorate of Quarries still exists, regardless of the above Wiki page only going to 1911.
  • There’s also the issue of contemporary maintenance because, although the Inspectorate still exists, it works in a very different way. Rather than preserve and reinforce the structure and integrity of the underground quarries as has been done for centuries – with additional limestone pillars and walls – today holes are drilled down from the surface and filled with concrete. Since the quarry networks were made forbidden to public access in the 1950s, I think historically, Parisians have wiped them from their memory.
Essentially, due to the danger posed by the cavities, allegedly created by the Ancient Romans, historical evidence is being filled up, and sealed with concrete. Nobody needs to see what's down there.

KD: What other 1775-1777 dates do we know? I don't think all this is a mere coincidence.

Other Places
Brno Ossuary
Brno Ossuary is an underground ossuary in Brno, Czech Republic. It was rediscovered in 2001 in the historical centre of the city, partially under the Church of St. James. It is estimated that the ossuary holds the remains of over 50,000 people which makes it the second-largest ossuary in Europe, after the Catacombs of Paris. The ossuary was founded in the 17th century, and was expanded in the 18th century. It's been opened to public since June 2012.

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Brno Ossuary - Wikipedia

Sedlec Ossuary
The 40,000 to 70,000 skeletons within Sedlec Ossuary (aka Kostnice Ossuary Beinhaus) in the Czech Republic welcome you, quite literally, with open arms.
The ossuary, a small, unassuming building of a clay-brown hue, was first erected in 1741. Tucked in a cemetery behind the town’s medieval St. Lawrence Church, it contains the skeletons of what are believed to be the remains of fallen soldiers from the War of the Austrian Succession (1740-48). Later, in 1829, a minister named Ondřej Zloch carefully laid out the collection of bones and skulls that you can still visit today.

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Putim Ossuary

Monastery of San Francisco Catacombs
Beneath the church at the Franciscan Monastery in Lima, Peru, there is an ossuary where the skulls and bones of an estimated 70,000 people are decoratively arranged. Long forgotten, the catacombs were rediscovered in 1943 and are believed to be connected via subterranean passageways to the cathedral and other local churches.

I could just keep on going, but need to save room. Catacomb/ossuary related:
"Ancient" mass graves. I did not specifically look, but here is a link:
Additional Instances
Archaeologists have made a spectacular find on Berlin's Schlossplatz: during excavations on the grounds of the former city palace, they have found the remains of thousands of people. The bones are now to bring insights into Berlin in the Middle Ages.

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Original in German Language.

The postcard below, which comes from the Burns Archive’s death-focused photography collection, shows three such soldiers standing on a 30-foot deep pile of skeletons at Colon Cemetery. At the time, the price of a grave at the cemetery, which was founded 22 years earlier, was $10 for five years. If, after this period, the family of the deceased didn’t pay up for the remains to stay buried longer, the skeleton would be dug up and its bones piled onto a big heap in the ever-growing boneyard.

1898
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Postcard from a Cuban Boneyard

Government Rules
I do not know what rules are in place in other countries, but here in the US we have this Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. By default, no other but Native American remains (bar crime scenes) could possibly be situated within the United States. Native they could be, but how did they die?
In the United States, when remains are located, everything is stopped. If those remains are deemed to have historical properties (not a crime scene), archaeologists move in, and do what they do. What do they do?


KD: Well, as usually, we have what we have, and we don't have what we don't have.
  • Where are the multiple old cemeteries which are supposed to be in great abundance. Where are the 1 century cemeteries as they pertain to some historically old cities?
  • Why only 0.4% of the Catacombs of Paris are available for public inspection? Sure there is a safety issue, but who's there to say that we do not have a billion people neatly stacked up along the passages?
  • How do we explain bizarre 6,000,000 Paris skeletons for the 1200-1780 period. How do we explain the state those skeletons are in?
  • Why the stone quarries allegedly excavated by the Ancient Romans started to all over sudden collapse? When were they really built?
  • What's up with this practice of placing the dead inside various catacombs? Did the involved authorities agree upon this common practice?
  • Why 1400 - 1634 time period in the life of Paris looks so strange, as far as population numbers are concerned?
  • Could these piled up skeletons be Mud Flood or Reset related?
Pretty sure the questions could be numerous. Above are just some of the ones I have. Feel free to voice your opinion.
 

Sonofabor

New member
Some beings fed on the pineal glands of humans. This is the scuttlebutt I have heard. If it is possible that people were miners for some inter-dimensional beings... as you suggested, once upon a time..is there a possible connection?
 

Alex12sb

New member
To me, it looks like there were a whole bunch of people occupying this square simultaneously, and they all got buried by some liquid dirt
If you look closely, there are skulls everywhere. It turns out that the new dead are buried where the skeletons of people lie chaotically
 

Triskell

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Being born and raised Parisian, here’s what I know about the catacombs :

You can explore most of the catacombs tunnels under Paris, there’s entries everywhere inside and outside Paris walls. There is even people called « cataphile » who spend most of their time underground. Most of the network is made of narrow tunnels, but there is also bigger rooms. The network goes way outside Paris limits. Everything is connected to the subway network

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The official story says that the quarrys where used to dig limestone wich all Paris building are made of. The underground end-up being so cheesy that sometime the ground is falling open.

Here’s some famous underground spots :

The Capucins Fountain
19 meters underground

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The Underground Canal Saint Martin
2km long under the Bastille

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There’s even a lake under the Opéra Garnier



The Montsouris watertank

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The 6 millions number is largely made up, for having visiting it myself a few times, I would say that there’s not more than 100 000 skeletons down there.

My though on this special display of bones, is that catacombs where used for some occult ceremonies, since even today people are practicing neo-witchcraft in some rooms.

Having said that, it doesn’t solve the numbers issues we have. The city is allegedly from BC period, we should have billions of dead corps.
The official explanation is that prior to 1804, it was not necessary to burry people (sic), when Napoleon made a law forcing everyone to have a proper grave.

Most of the old graves I’ve been able to see in Paris are from late 18th century early 19th.

The most famous is Cemetery of Pere Lachaise.
 
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Cemen

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Request: If whoever speaks Russian, could you please translate what the guy in this video is saying?

In general, he did not say anything special.
Allegedly, this is a necropolis of the Meotian culture, with burials of the 1-3 century AD, that these burials are not unique, that dozens of them have been found and there is nothing unusual about them. Everything is in accordance with the official history.
Then he tells how the excavations are carried out, how everything is recorded, taken into account, and so on.
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And the old cemeteries are most likely just hidden by a layer of soil.

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Luzhetsky monastery. The monastery yard, where in 1999 a layer of earth about two meters thick was removed, and on the surface of the monastery yard the ground level of the middle of the 17th century was exposed. The level of the ground before the removal of the layer is marked by a dark stripe running along the bottom of the monastery cathedral. It can be seen that the windows of the cathedral were raised, except for one, which, before the excavations, began from the very ground. In the foreground there are tombstones from the 17th – 19th centuries found underground and neatly arranged in rows. Photo of 2000.
 
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INFO
There are currently seven billion people alive today and the Population Reference Bureau estimates that about 107 billion people have ever lived. This means that we are nowhere close to having more alive than dead. In fact, there are 15 dead people for every person living.

This is one of the articles I wanted to put together for a very long time. A few years ago I wrote this: 16th century Paris: Size vs. Population. The below content is some sort of a byproduct of the above mentioned article, in conjunction with these three:
Any idea of a recent reset (or resets) poses a question of the missing dead. An idea of any Mud Flood related activities poses the same question. It does appear (to a certain degree) that Mud Floods could somehow be related to our possible resets. I do not insist, but this is the impression I have.

As far as Mud Floods go, two time periods stick out. I think these two periods could be traced with visual representations of the mud flooded architecture.

Mud Flood: Period #1
1600-1750
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Above is one of the Giovanni Battista Piranesi's works. He lived between 1720 and 1778. If we consider, that he did witness everything depicted in his works, it gives us a Mud Flood date of approximately 1600-1750. I'm pushing it to 1600's due to Piranesi being just one of the ruin artists (Capriccio) we have. Some earlier ones, like Alessandro Salucci (1590 – c. 1655-60), suggest that the events in question could have taken place as early as 1620's. I do not put too much faith into these dates being accurate, but they can serve as a guidon of sorts.

Pre-period #1 Dead
While questionable, I think Mr. G. B. Piranesi did provide us with a pretty good idea on how that specific spin of our civilization used to handle their dead. The illustration below should speak for itself. Based on the image, it does not appear that the dead were buried in the ground back then.

I believe that in the above case we could be talking about burial grounds of the cremated Giants. The same Piranesi left us a few images, suggesting that the builders of the insane architecture were quite a bit larger than us.

If those were indeed the Giants, I doubt we would be allowed on this specific knowledge by the current narrative maintenance crew.

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Mud Flood: Period #2
1840-1900
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The reason I think there was a second Mud Flood (and possibly a reset) is due to some drastic architectural differences between the ones presented by the Ruin Artists (like Piranesi), and the 19th century buildings we can witness.

In general, timing these events is hard. On one hand I would like to place this second Mud Flood closer to 1850s, but this Russian building above was allegedly built in 1910s. It appears that we have some major time frame meddling involved, but this article is not about our time frame issues. It's about the dead.

Old Cemeteries
If we go along with the traditional linear development narrative, we would expect to see thousands of very old cemeteries spread out throughout the world. Yet, it does not appear to be the case. As a matter of fact we are provided with 8 oldest cemeteries, which are:
  1. Gross Fredenwalde - c. 8,500 years ago
  2. Kerameikos - c.3000 BCE; first organized cemetery c.1200 BCE
  3. Udegram Cemetery - c. 2,500 – 3,000 years ago
  4. Mount of Olives Jewish Cemetery - c.3,000 years ago
  5. Okunoin Cemetery - c. 819 CE
  6. Heiliger Sand (Holy Sand) - c. 1058
  7. Old Jewish Cemetery in Prague - c. 1439
  8. Myles Standish Burial Ground - c. 1638
Now, I'm pretty sure that the above eight are just a set of older cemeteries somebody put together for the sole purpose of creating content for their website. Are there old cemeteries out there? There sure are, but once you start paying attention, you start noticing this interesting word: "DATED". My personal trust to the dated things is next to none.

Essentially it appears that we do not have any cemeteries older than 500 years old. For that you just have to approach this issue systematically.

For example, the City of London was officially established in 43 CE.
The city of Paris was established God knows when. It appears that it happened some time around 250-225 BCE.
Pick your own city with a very old history, and see how old their local cemeteries are. Also when you run into some 1500 year old graveyard, try to understand where the dates are coming from. In my opinion, those dates are just made up. Kind of similar to the below 2000 year old burial site, located 5 feet deep dead smack in the middle of the street in one of the Russian cities.
  • Yup, 2000 y.o. graves located 5 feet deep. In my opinion these are the Second Mud Flood victims. Of course, pseudo archaeologists know better, and this is claimed to be a Scythian/Meotian Necropolis.

Request: If whoever speaks Russian, could you please translate what the guy in this video is saying?


KD: It appears that we do not have any cemeteries out there to account for the dead as they relate to various historical time frames. Sure we could go with cremations, and some other modes of riddance of the dead bodies. At the same time we pay the due respect to our dead, and we have places to show for it. Why don't they?

It's up to the reader to decide whether our distant ancestors were ignorant enough to not pay proper respect to their dead loved ones.
  • For those forum members who live in some very old cities - what is the oldest cemetery in your neck of the woods?
Catacombs of Paris
6 million skeletons
Some 200 miles of labyrinthine tunnels are believed to exist. Despite the vast length of the tunneled, underground world, only a small section of it is open to the public. This tiny portion (under 1 mile), known as Denfert-Rochereau Ossuary, or more popularly, “The Catacombs,” has become one of the top tourist attractions in Paris.


I think that the story of the Catacombs of Paris is as suspicious as it gets, in reference to the number of dead people we are presented with.
  • Where could six million skeletons come from by 1780?
Let us look at the narrative compliant version of the issue at hand.


The Narrative: The Catacombs of Paris are underground ossuaries in Paris, France, which hold the remains of more than six million people in a small part of a tunnel network built to consolidate Paris' ancient stone mines. Extending south from the Barrière d'Enfer ("Gate of Hell") former city gate, this ossuary was created as part of the effort to eliminate the city's overflowing cemeteries. Preparation work began not long after a 1774 series of gruesome Saint Innocents-cemetery-quarter basement wall collapses added a sense of urgency to the cemetery-eliminating measure, and from 1786, nightly processions of covered wagons transferred remains from most of Paris' cemeteries to a mine shaft opened near the Rue de la Tombe-Issoire.

The ossuary remained largely forgotten until it became a novelty-place for concerts and other private events in the early 19th century; after further renovations and the construction of accesses around Place Denfert-Rochereau, it was open to public visitation from 1874. Since January 1, 2013, the Catacombs number among the 14 City of Paris Museums managed by Paris Musées. Although the ossuary comprises only a small section of the underground "carrières de Paris" ("quarries of Paris"), Parisians presently often refer to the entire tunnel network as the catacombs.



Essentially what we have is an old, no longer existing cemetery called Holy Innocents' Cemetery. It got overfilled and the dead bodies spilled into the streets of Paris. Authorities had to act, and they allegedly did by moving skeletons to the catacombs.
  • Under the reign of Philip II (1180-1223) the cemetery was enlarged and surrounded by a three-meter-high wall. Les Innocents had begun as a cemetery with individual sepulchres, but by then had become a site for mass graves. People were buried together in the same pit (a pit could hold about 1,500 dead at a time); only when it was full would another be opened.
  • The Holy Innocents' Cemetery is a defunct cemetery in Paris that was used from the Middle Ages until the late 18th century. It was the oldest and largest cemetery in Paris and had often been used for mass graves. It was closed because of overuse in 1780, and in 1786 the remaining corpses were exhumed and transported to the unused subterranean quarries known as the Catacombs.
The below illustration allegedly pertaining to 1550s, was done by Theodor Josef Hubert Hoffbauer who was born in 1839 and died in 1922. This guy has a lot of works, but I was not able to find a single image of his face. Yet, the existence of this "Holy Innocents' Cemetery" is supported by his below painting. Nothing knew there, I'm afraid.

The Holy Innocents' Cemetery, c.1550.
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Holy Innocents' Cemetery allegedly was established in 12th century and got closed in 1780. The dead were moved to the stone quarries below the streets of Paris. Today the quarries are known as the Catacombs of Paris. Did this "Holy Innocents' Cemetery" exist in reality? I do not know, but we sure do have a lot of skeletons in the Paris Catacombs.
  • To me, it looks like there were a whole bunch of people occupying this square simultaneously, and they all got buried by some liquid dirt.
Paris Population
I will refer to the article titled: 16th century Paris: Size vs. Population. You judge for yourself whether 205,882 people per square mile in 1572 is a feasible number. The most populated city of today, which is Manila, has only 107,561 people per square mile. I personally thing that either these numbers are BS, or the true size of the city of Paris in the 16th century is not being revealed to us.

1572: 350,000 people in 1.69 sq mi
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For comparison, this 1878 San Francisco had approximately 230k people living there. The size of 1878 SF was no less than 20 sq. miles (today SF is ~49 sq. miles).

When considering 350,000 people per 1.69 square miles, one has to take the following into account:
KD: Basically, just like I said above, we are either not being told about the true size of the city, or the population of Paris in 1550s was under 50k. Barring the existence of 40 story skyscrapers, I do not know how it's possible to accommodate 350,000 people within 1.69 square miles. When we factor in that there was no known sewer system in place, the numbers sound even more ridiculous. It's not like Earth was overpopulated back then, right? At least officially it was not.

6,000,000 skeletons
where from?
Now, when we have the weird city population issue out of the way, let us talk about the alleged 6 million people who were transferred to the Paris Catacombs. The overwhelming majority was moved from the Holy Innocents' Cemetery, which existed from the 12th century to 1780. Let us take a look at the Paris population by year:
  • year 29BC: 29,000
  • year 1000: 20,000
  • year 1200: 110,000
  • year 1250: 160,000
  • year 1300: 228,000
  • year 1340: 300,000
  • year 1400: 280,000 - Losses of the Black Plague.
  • year 1500: 200,000 - Losses of the Hundred Years' War.
  • year 1550: 275,000 - Renaissance recovery.
  • year 1594: 210,000 - Losses of religious and civil wars.
  • year 1634: 420,000 - Spectacular recovery under King Henry IV and Richelieu.
  • year 1700: 515,000
  • year 1750: 565,000
You gotta love this "spectacular recovery", and "losses". What could be hiding behind these numbers shenanigans?

Once again: The Holy Innocents' Cemetery is a defunct cemetery in Paris that was used from the Middle Ages until the late 18th century. It was the oldest and largest cemetery in Paris and had often been used for mass graves. It was closed because of overuse in 1780, and in 1786 the remaining corpses were exhumed and transported to the unused subterranean quarries known as the Catacombs.
Think about it: Under the reign of Philip II (1180-1223) the cemetery was enlarged and surrounded by a three-meter-high wall.
  • Why bother? No really, why would they build a 10 foot wall for something like this in 1200s?
As you can see, the Cemetery is located smack dab in the middle of Paris. It's like if there was no available room anywhere else back then.

Guess where the alleged 50,000 victims of the 1347 Black Death go to? Yup, they got buried in the middle of Paris. Why they would keep all those Plague contaminated corpses in the middle of the populated city bits me. I thought those were transported outside of the city limits and covered with bleach or something. Our scientists say that plague-ridden corpses are no danger:
  • There's a common belief that dead bodies pose a major risk of disease, which leads to a lot of hysteria during major epidemics. This is mostly a myth, studies have found.
Question: Anyways, taking the above Paris population numbers into consideration, how do we get 6,000,000 dead people? Even if they had 250,000 people dying in Paris every 33 years for 500 years straight, we would only end up with 4,500,000.

Nice "lil" holes, aren't they?
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From a slightly different perspective, we have well preserved, similar looking skeletal bones, and skulls. Some of the skeletons were supposed to be 500 years old, and some only 10 or so, yet they all look the same. It's like bones do not fall apart, when in reality they clearly do. Additionally, the skeletal remains displayed in the Paris Catacombs look polished and treated.


KD summary on the Paris: With this interesting Holy Innocents' Cemetery no longer in existence, I will allow myself the following set of speculations:
  • All these people died at the same time. This is why all the bones are in the same place and in a very similar condition.
  • The dead could represent a "reset". Whether they are Mud Flood related, or victims of some "plague" chemical attack remains to be determined.
  • With under 1 out of 200 miles of tunnels being available to public, we cannot be sure that we only have 6 millions of skeletons down there. What if the numbers are 200 times that?
  • We have no idea what exact time period these dead pertain to.
Inspection générale des carrières
The Inspection générale des carrières (IGC) is the organisation which administers, controls and maintains the mines of Paris and catacombs of Paris. It was founded by royal decree of Louis XVI on 4 April 1777 as the 'Service des carrières du département de la Seine'.


Department of General Quarry Inspection, aka General Inspectorate of Quarries still exists, regardless of the above Wiki page only going to 1911.
  • There’s also the issue of contemporary maintenance because, although the Inspectorate still exists, it works in a very different way. Rather than preserve and reinforce the structure and integrity of the underground quarries as has been done for centuries – with additional limestone pillars and walls – today holes are drilled down from the surface and filled with concrete. Since the quarry networks were made forbidden to public access in the 1950s, I think historically, Parisians have wiped them from their memory.
Essentially, due to the danger posed by the cavities, allegedly created by the Ancient Romans, historical evidence is being filled up, and sealed with concrete. Nobody needs to see what's down there.

KD: What other 1775-1777 dates do we know? I don't think all this is a mere coincidence.

Other Places
Brno Ossuary
Brno Ossuary is an underground ossuary in Brno, Czech Republic. It was rediscovered in 2001 in the historical centre of the city, partially under the Church of St. James. It is estimated that the ossuary holds the remains of over 50,000 people which makes it the second-largest ossuary in Europe, after the Catacombs of Paris. The ossuary was founded in the 17th century, and was expanded in the 18th century. It's been opened to public since June 2012.

The 40,000 to 70,000 skeletons within Sedlec Ossuary (aka Kostnice Ossuary Beinhaus) in the Czech Republic welcome you, quite literally, with open arms.
The ossuary, a small, unassuming building of a clay-brown hue, was first erected in 1741. Tucked in a cemetery behind the town’s medieval St. Lawrence Church, it contains the skeletons of what are believed to be the remains of fallen soldiers from the War of the Austrian Succession (1740-48). Later, in 1829, a minister named Ondřej Zloch carefully laid out the collection of bones and skulls that you can still visit today.

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Putim Ossuary

Monastery of San Francisco Catacombs
Beneath the church at the Franciscan Monastery in Lima, Peru, there is an ossuary where the skulls and bones of an estimated 70,000 people are decoratively arranged. Long forgotten, the catacombs were rediscovered in 1943 and are believed to be connected via subterranean passageways to the cathedral and other local churches.

I could just keep on going, but need to save room. Catacomb/ossuary related:
"Ancient" mass graves. I did not specifically look, but here is a link:
Additional Instances
Archaeologists have made a spectacular find on Berlin's Schlossplatz: during excavations on the grounds of the former city palace, they have found the remains of thousands of people. The bones are now to bring insights into Berlin in the Middle Ages.

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Original in German Language.

The postcard below, which comes from the Burns Archive’s death-focused photography collection, shows three such soldiers standing on a 30-foot deep pile of skeletons at Colon Cemetery. At the time, the price of a grave at the cemetery, which was founded 22 years earlier, was $10 for five years. If, after this period, the family of the deceased didn’t pay up for the remains to stay buried longer, the skeleton would be dug up and its bones piled onto a big heap in the ever-growing boneyard.

I do not know what rules are in place in other countries, but here in the US we have this Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. By default, no other but Native American remains (bar crime scenes) could possibly be situated within the United States. Native they could be, but how did they die?
In the United States, when remains are located, everything is stopped. If those remains are deemed to have historical properties (not a crime scene), archaeologists move in, and do what they do. What do they do?


KD: Well, as usually, we have what we have, and we don't have what we don't have.
  • Where are the multiple old cemeteries which are supposed to be in great abundance. Where are the 1 century cemeteries as they pertain to some historically old cities?
  • Why only 0.4% of the Catacombs of Paris are available for public inspection? Sure there is a safety issue, but who's there to say that we do not have a billion people neatly stacked up along the passages?
  • How do we explain bizarre 6,000,000 Paris skeletons for the 1200-1780 period. How do we explain the state those skeletons are in?
  • Why the stone quarries allegedly excavated by the Ancient Romans started to all over sudden collapse? When were they really built?
  • What's up with this practice of placing the dead inside various catacombs? Did the involved authorities agree upon this common practice?
  • Why 1400 - 1634 time period in the life of Paris looks so strange, as far as population numbers are concerned?
  • Could these piled up skeletons be Mud Flood or Reset related?
Pretty sure the questions could be numerous. Above are just some of the ones I have. Feel free to voice your opinion.
1.69sq mi 350000ppl =134sqft/person
Consider 4 to a home and 3 floors per building. That's 1614sqft; 1000/home and 614 for infrastructure.
Even today, 1000sqft apartment is a good size for 4 ppl.
 
I got this.



I don't view this mapped 1572 city as one huge 3 story tall apartment building occupying 1,69 square miles. Thera are roads, common areas, open unoccupied areas, businesses and a river as well as residential buildings.
Editing because I was almost asleep when I replied. Instead of writing, here is an image of the oldest building in France 51 rue de montmorency. 4 stories. If each person is allowed 134 sqft, how many people do you think are living in this building?

Bldg=2500sqft(high estimate)×3floors=7500sqft living space.
7500sqft÷134sqft/person=56people.
Enough room for 56 people on a plot of land big enough for 10.
That leaves (46×134) 6164sqft. Shops, roads, less dense buildings, parks etc.

The street looks to be 15ft wide. ×20 = 300×2(for back alley)= 600 sqft.
6164-600= 5564 sqft of unused space.

Now let's be realistic. There are 3 floors for living and 1 for a shop. I looks like one flat/floor. Double that( front and back of building) and you get 6 flats.
56÷6=9ppl per flat(thats ridiculous).
Let's use some of our unused space to build another building. And cut that down to 4-5ppl per flat.(29ppl /bldg)

5564-2500(land area of bldg)=3064sqft
3064-600= 2464sqft unused space.

If used that to put up smaller bldg (26ppl)you get 3484sqft of unused land( i think)per 84 ppl.

(350000÷84)×3484= roughly 0.5 square mile. Almost 1/3 of the entire city. For roads rivers and larger, less dense homes. Remember shops are in the buildings and most ppl back then lived in the shop. So that area could got up even more.

Still 207000/sqmi is a little high for population density

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FakeHistory

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Very interesting. i makes you wounder where are all the dead bodys is there is 15x more dead then alive people? weird. i think the Paris catacombs were actully a huge satanic ritual done by the king of the city. bringing all the bodys to the center
 
Very interesting. i makes you wounder where are all the dead bodys is there is 15x more dead then alive people? weird. i think the Paris catacombs were actully a huge satanic ritual done by the king of the city. bringing all the bodys to the center
I'm running a speed sheet for another thread here for population number.
I'm killing off nearly everyone every 15-20years; half the kids and 90% adults. I can only come up with 60bn. I don't know where the 107bn number comes from.
 

FakeHistory

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I'm running a speed sheet for another thread here for population number.
I'm killing off nearly everyone every 15-20years; half the kids and 90% adults. I can only come up with 60bn. I don't know where the 107bn number comes from.
I think there was a massive extermination event around the year 1850 worldwide. It is weird that there is no very old cemeteries past 200 years. The city I live in the oldest cemetery is 150 years old. What you mean bn?
 

Triskell

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The Parisian catacombs are managed by the IGC (General Inspection of Careers). They are mainly in charge of consolidating the underground galleries. For several years, entire galleries have been effectively « consolidated » using the injection of concrete.

This practice is not justified by its effectiveness, since it causes an increase in the humidity level, because the air no longer circulates, which has the consequence of weakening the limestone in the basement.

The IGC does not communicate publicly about the work that is being done in the catacombs, so no one knows exactly what is going on there. Regulars who use the basements find themselves overnight in a closed tunnel or walled up rooms.

The only way to get an idea is to go down yourself and see the extent of the damage.

Here is a map showing the tunnels still accessible in 2007 :

 
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Is there an explanation of what “consolidation by injection of concrete” means or supposed to achieve? What exactly is concrete being used for? For filling in cavities, or for building walls of some type?
 

Triskell

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Officially, concrete injection is not the only method used. In some cases support pillars are put in place, but this is the case only for "real quarries" which are located in the cities surrounding Paris.

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The subterranean parts of the catacombs are filled in using injection of concrete when the stability of the terrain threatens buildings on the surface. The explanation given by the IGC is that in these specific cases the accesses to the tunnels are too narrow to place pillars of support. They therefore prefer to use concrete injection through either the surface (street level) or through adjacent rooms or tunnels.

So basically yes, they're filling up cavities with concrete.
 
Per the narrative, these catacombs god knows how old. You have to love how convoluted it gets when one tries to figure out who produced these cavities.

It appears that most of these were excavated at the times when Lutetia was still around. Which is like around 2,000 years ago. How long were the catacombs doing ok, before they started collapsing?

The IGC was created in like 1777. Sounds like all these times they were exploring these tunnels, while simultaneously eradicating some of them by filling them in with concrete, or concrete like substance.

Could this be one elaborate evidence eradication operation?
 

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