Napoléon, aka Nicholas, Brutus and Ali Bonaparte: what do we know?

I understand that people change with age. Napoleon died when he was 51 years old. You be the judge of this particular aging. On the other hand, his life was pretty stressful, so... who knows?

15 August 1769 – 5 May 1821


I have my Napoleon related doubts. Granted, there are heaps of various historical documents out there. But, imho, something smells in the entire story. Let's start with some basics.

Napoleon Bonapart
15 August 1769 – 5 May 1821
Napoléon Bonaparte, usually referred to as simply Napoleon in English, was a French military and political leader who rose to prominence during the French Revolution and led several successful campaigns during the Revolutionary Wars.
  • He was the de facto leader of the French Republic as First Consul from 1799 to 1804.
  • As Napoleon I, he was Emperor of the French from 1804 until 1814 and again in 1815.
  • Napoleon dominated European and global affairs for more than a decade while leading France against a series of coalitions in the Napoleonic Wars.
  • He won most of these wars and the vast majority of his battles, building a large empire that ruled over continental Europe before its final collapse in 1815.
Born Napoleone di Buonaparte on the island of Corsica not long after its annexation by the Kingdom of France, Napoleon's modest family descended from minor Italian nobility.
  • Napoleon's family was of Italian origin:
    • his paternal ancestors, the Buonapartes, descended from a minor Tuscan noble family who emigrated to Corsica in the 16th century.
    • his maternal ancestors, the Ramolinos, descended from a minor Genoese noble family.
  • Nobility is a social class normally ranked immediately below royalty and found in some societies that have a formal aristocracy.
  • There are often a variety of ranks within the noble class.
  • Nobility

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Nicolas Buonaparte
What was his real name? This particular historical issue is not being talked about these days. Below we have two oddly titled Napoleon related caricatures.


Description in French: Ce prénom lui a été attribué par des ennemis qui l'accusaient d'avoir voulu se faire couronné roi d'Espagne, car se prénom avait à l'époque la connotation d'affubulateur, de fanfaron. [J'en donne] Pour exemple, cette caricature royaliste de l'époque des Cent-Jours qui présente l'arrivée de Nicolas Buonaparte aux Tuileries, le 20 mars 1815. Il ne viendrait pourtant à personne à l'esprit de prénommé l'Empereur... Nicolas.

Description in English: This first name was given to him by enemies who accused him of wanting to be crowned King of Spain, because his first name had at the time the connotation of arrogant, boastful. [I give] For example, this royalist caricature from the time of the Hundred Days which presents the arrival of Nicolas Buonaparte at the Tuileries on March 20, 1815. Yet no one would come to mind to name the Emperor ... Nicolas.
  • We are being told: This first name was given to him by enemies who accused him of wanting to be crowned King of Spain, because his first name had at the time the connotation of arrogant, boastful.

Description in French: Dernière Demeure De Nicolas Buonaparte Ou La Récompense Du Crime Et Le Châtiment D'Un Tyran.

Description in English: Last Home Of Nicolas Buonaparte Or The Reward For Crime And The Punishment Of A Tyrant.
I do not know about you, but this is the first time I see Napoleon Buonaparte being called Nicolas Buonaparte. A little bit of research produced the following results. Some of the "justifications" for this "Nicolas" name, sound anything but convincing.


You know my current stance on our chronological timeline of events. As an example, we do not know if 1812 and 1612 were really separated by 200 years. From this perspective, the below account is super interesting. There is more info on this at the linked source.
  • Also look below for the "Treviso Connection".


Whatever this means...








The Emperor Nicholas in the below paragraph is the brother of Alexander I of Russia, but... check out the Napoleon part.

I am not sure what the contents of the below linked "potpourri" are. If you can find a translation, please share the link.

KD: These were just a few. I am not sure what to make of this "Nicholas" name. Please speak up if you have an opinion.

Ali and Brurtus Bonaparte
If any of this is true, then they had way too much fun back in the day. The below sounds kind of... ridiculous and even childish. Unless, of course, there is something we do not know. How come these musical chairs with Napoleon's name were not in my school program?

This here is our alleged explanation for the name of Ali Bonaparte.


I assume this here was "Ali" Bonaparte. Dudes don't even look the same...

And, I guess, the below paragraph is supposed to explain the "Brutus" thing.



Julius Caesar Connection
I'm probably seeing things, but the below event reminded me of the assassination of Julius Caesar. Napoleon, obviously, was not killed, but the storyline appears to be pretty similar to that of Julius Caesar.



I find these council names highly suspicions. They were either infatuated with the antiquity, or they were themselves the antiquity.
With all these tyrants, Brutus', and Luciens (or may be Lucius'), the stuff is somewhat weird.

Now let's see how "modest" that "minor" Italian nobility could possibly be.

The Treviso Connection
+Buonaventura Buonaparte

Note: Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma - Wikipedia
To be honest, I find this "Treviso Connection" somewhat questionable. That's some serious pedigree to be totally unknown at the times when our Napoleon was still alive.



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The "Byzantium" Connection
Than we have this Byzantium connection. Per the narrative, Byzantium was colonized by the Greeks from Megara in 657 BC, and remained primarily Greek-speaking until its conquest by the Ottoman Empire in AD 1453.
  • I have to make it clear again. I seriously entertain an idea of single historical events having been multiplied into hundreds of phantom pseudo-historical events. Such phantom events were chronologically spread out.
Those who know the narrative compliant storyline of Napoleon Bonaparte, could find some bizarre similarities between Napoleon and Nicephorus III Botaniates. Alexios I Komnenos should also be taken into the equation.


The above paragraph came from this 1884 book. It contains some entertaining details, including our Napoleon being possibly related to the Man in the Iron Mask.

Demetrio Stefanopoli
Demetrio Stefanopoli (1749 – 1821) was a Corsican notable and military officer in French service. A member of the Greek community of Corsica, in 1782 he received letters patent from Louis XVI recognizing him as the descendant and heir of David Komnenos, the last Emperor of Trebizond, after which he was known in French as Démétrius Stephanopoli Comnène.

What I do find interesting, his wiki page does not say a single word about his relative... Nicolo. I stand corrected, it does say exactly one word about this Nicolo. You can find it in the Writings section.
  • Voyage de Dimo et Nicolo Stephanopoli en Grèce
  • Trip of Dimo and Nicolo Stephanopoli to Greece: during Years V and VI (1797 and 1798) ... according to two missions, one of which was from the French Government and the other from General-in-Chief Buonaparte. [Volume 1] / written by one of the professors of the Prytaneum.
What we do get in the wiki article is this:
  • He died childless at Paris on 8 August 1821. His younger brother Giorgio and then his nephew, Adolphe de Geouffre, were his heirs.
So... who was this Nicolo? I have no idea, but let's take a look at the title pages of several books. These books were published in 1854, 1860 and 1848, but time lines can be confusing, as you know. I used Google to get titles translated.
  • The Two great social disturbances started again in the East and in the West
  • Warnings to the French, Greeks and Italians
  • by Prince Nicolaos Steph. Comnenus

  • Impious wars of the usurpers started in the East in the year 1853 under the mask of religion and order
  • Follows a Call to the Greeks, with the 3rd edition of the Manifesto of immense desolation ready to explode on society
  • by Prince N. Stephanopoli-Comnenus

  • Precise history of the imperial house of Comnéne preceded by a direct filiation since prince Étiénne George Nicephore Comnéne who takes the nickname of Stephanopoli until Niccolò George Garidacci Stephanopoli Comnéne, son of the author of this work.
  • Source

Question: Who were these dudes?
There are plenty of internet discussions about Napoleon being of Greek descent. These discussions, for obvious reasons, do not consider any time line meddling possibilities. I do.

KD: What do I have in mind? Same old, same old...
  • Could it be that something like 20 historical individuals and 50 events were turned into thousands of individuals and events?
    • And more extreme... could it be that our history reflects a single event?
  • What if our Komnenos', Attilas, Nebuchadnezzars, Alexanders the Great, etc., did not live hundreds and thousands of years ago?
    • What if them 19th century destructions were misrepresented beyond our wildest beliefs?
As far as Mr. Napoleon goes... what do we know?
  • What did he really look like?
  • What was his name?
  • Who were his ancestors?
  • Did he even exist?
Who, or what was buried under this dome?..


...and inside of this sarcophagus in Les Invalides.


The sarcophagus was put up on a green granite pedestal and contains a nest of six coffins.
  • 1. soft iron
  • 2. mahogany
  • 3, 4. two of lead
  • 5. ebony
  • 6. oak
Related: 1840: Napoleon's Funeral Carriage

It's a helmet made for a giant's head.

How long ago was the War of Gods and Men?


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Notice the fasces symbol just visible on the flag in the upper right image of your post...

The axe is of dual purpose, destruction and creation. The depiction of a single bladed or sided axe reinforces the thought that one force can be used for both purposes.


My personal hunch is the basic interpretation of ‘a bundle of sticks is not easily broken’ is a more modern idea (mostly for misdirection) and doesn’t seem as complete a view. I think this is cargo culted from its original concepts which I hope to provide some insight for:

The bundles of sticks allows the axe to float should it fall into the water.

To loose an axe would be a great peril since it’s purpose is so integral to the building of a civilization. In this context we can interpret that a good leader is careful to manage his own resources. Loosing an axe to the ocean could be thought of a careless loss of troops for example. Thus the fasces in-part could be a symbol of due diligence in resource management (especially if the war resources are loaned or borrowed). Likewise in addition to helping the axe float, it also provides extra protection from shattering to various war hazards.

The fasces is also a kind of sheath for the axe.

When you besiege a city many days and make war against it, destroying the surrounding trees could be excessive, especially if you can eat from them or rest beneath them. By extension of this idea, the same principle could be applied to the innocents that get mixed up in warfare.

Likewise, the bundles that encircle the axe and are literally extra resources (to use up before the axe even become a necessary force); but metaphorically the ratio (10:1) serves as a reminder that the wood and the axe are bound together, there are ten wooden rods and only one axe—do not create the world were only axes exist (ie a woe against needless slaughter). You couldn’t inspire unity with such approaches.

How ironic is it that fascism essentially stands in stark contrast to the ideas?

To shift gears entirely, I think another compelling idea more inline with this post is the concept of bundling variations of the same stories around a common narrative source. I think it’s entirely possible the fasces symbol was cargo culted to signify something entirely different in the dawn of artwork, portraits, and other plagiarized materials of the post-cataclysmic world...

The axe represents is the original historical narrative, it’s used to chop down the raw materials (ie other languages you wish to implant your story into) and then they are spun and smoothed perfectly round and flawless (wooden rods).

You then break the axe (the handle) symbolic of destroying the source of the narrative. Act of creation and destruction.

Then all the wooden rods (implanted narratives) are then carefully bound around the axe, covering the broken handle and reinforcing the idea without exposing the reality.

Still visible is the axe’s blade, the sharp literally element in each story that ultimately ‘shapes’ the story. But the refinement of the bound parts has made each distinct in its own sense of merit, all the more impressive that they tied in with the other ‘histories’ seeming to occupy the same time but not in the same space.

In this way you can program a similar people groups in different countries/languages; how fascist is that.

Note: the axe is the 22 symbol in masonry. 22 is the number of letters in the Hebrew alphabet. It was tradition for leaders of the Sanhedrin (Hebrew Elder Council) to be fluent in every language present in vicinity of their area of influence (or was it all known languages at their time?). Recall how I mention the previous ideas about preserving resources. Just some other peculiar correspondences to consider.
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    During Napoleon there was this
    guy named Marchal Jean de Dieu Soult.
    His nickname was "king Nicolas" (?) Especially in Spain and/ or Portugal.
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    He was sometimes etched as a caricature with an ugly big head.
    Everything about Napoleon is strange.

    Poem of Victor Hugo:

    This century was two years old! Rome replaced Sparta,
    Napoleon broke through under Bonaparte,

    And from the First Consul, already in many places,
    The Emperor's forehead broke the narrow mask.
    So in Besançon, old Spanish city,
    Thrown like a seed at the mercy of the flying sky,
    Born of Breton and Lorraine blood at the same time
    A child without color, without look and without voice;
    As stupid as he was, like a chimera,
    Abandoned by everyone but his mother,
    And that her neck bowed like a brittle reed
    Having his beer and his crib made at the same time.
    This child that life has erased from his book,
    And who didn't even have a tomorrow to live,
    That's me.
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    Good stuff Kd.

    English academic and theologian Richard Whately wiki wrote a paper/ book in 1852 called 'Historical doubts to Napoleon Bonaparte' which you can read free here

    In this paper, he destroyes the narrative of Napoleon, claiming for someone to have acheived the feats attributed to him, there must have been many 'Napoleons'
    "With respect to the character of Buonaparte, the dissonance is, if possible, still greater. According to some, he was a wise, humane, magnanimous hero; others paint him as a monster of cruelty, meanness, and perfidy: some, even of those who are most inveterate against him, speak very highly of his political and military ability: others place him on the very verge of insanity. But allowing that all this may be the colouring" "of party-prejudice, (which surely is allowing a great deal,) there is one point to which such a solution will hardly apply: if there be anything that can be clearly ascertained in history, one would think it must be the personal courage of a military man; yet here we are as much at a loss as ever; at the very same times, and on the same occasions, he is described by different writers as a man of undaunted intrepidity, and as an absolute poltroon. What, then, are we to believe? If we are disposed to credit all that is told us, we must believe in the existence not only of one, but of two or three Buonapartes; if we admit nothing but what is well authenticated, we shall be compelled to doubt of the existence of any.[9] It appears, then, that those on whose testimony the existence and actions of Buonaparte are generally believed, fail in ALL the most essential points on which the credibility of witnesses depends: first, we have no assurance that they have access to correct information; secondly, they have an apparent interest in propagating falsehood; and, thirdly, they palpably contradict each other in the most important points."
    of course, other mainstream historians ridule Whately, but his text makes more sense than the official narrative.

    As with most of these 'historical charactors' the 'proofs' you find in academia, are mostly written in the 20th century.

    My guess, the Napoleon stories were old stories re - hashed, and used as a cover for someone, or somethign else.


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    Napoleon had a few of "brothers" that he made "kings" like Louis Napoleon, Lucien Napoleon and Joseph Napoleon.

    Some of them ended up in the USA like Joseph Napoleon

    But is it also known that his other brother Jerome Napoleon made whole bunch of Jerome-sons all over?
    One of them was the grandson of the founder of the Baltimore railroad and he became the father of the founder of the FBI.
    Small world...