The impossible colossal "King Bath Tub" - who really produced this monster?

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According to everything we know about the 19th century, and specifically 1820s, this humongous bath tub is not supposed to exist. Of course it does, and I have quite a few reasons to question everything about this Russian bath tub besides its existence. For the traditional review type article of this impossible achievement of the early 19th century you can read the article called "Why Was Such a Colossal Bath Tub Built for Tsar Alexander I?"

In 1818 some civil engineer Betancourt supposedly requested Russian stone-cutter Samson Sukhanov to make this impossible item out of a single chunk of solid granite. The bath tub was to be made for Alexander I, the Tsar of Russia.

Betancourt - Sukhanov - Alexander I

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A few facts about this bath tub. It was made out of a single piece of granite weighing 352,740 lbs (160 metric tons). It was delivered from one of the islands in Finland to the Babolovo Palace. in Russia. The stone-cutter Sukhanov had to remove 120 tons of granite to give the bath tub its shape. It took Sukhanov 10 years to get the job done. The result of the stone-cutter's efforts was a polished granite bath tab with the following measurements -> height: 6.4 ft, depth: 5 ft, diameter: 17.5 ft, weight: 106,000 lbs (48 metric tons). The walls of the tub are 18.9 inches thick. This is the optimal thickness to prevent the granite from braking when filled with 3,170 gallons of water. The building containing the bath tub was built around the tub upon completion of the tub works. The tub has a single drain hole which is approximately 1 inch in diameter. Below is this bath tub.

King Bath Tub a.k.a. Tsar Vanna

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Year 1818: was this accomplishment possible?

Once again, any information pertaining to the most questionable stages of this titanic endeavor was omitted from history. The below image demonstrates an equivalent of the weight those people in 1818 had to handle.

Visualizing 352,740 lbs

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1. Loading and unloading the granite rock weighing 352,740 lbs in 1818.

This task would have to be done using heavy machines drawn under human or animal power (hydraulic crane was invented in 1837. In 1851, hand-powered cranes finally began running on steam power). A lifting tower similar to that of the ancient Romans was used to great effect by the Renaissance architect Domenico Fontana in 1586 to relocate the 795,869 lbs heavy Vatican obelisk in Rome. I find this highly doubtful, but let us assume they were able to load the rock.

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2. Moving a 352,740 lbs granite rock from Finland to Russia.

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Let us assume that they were able to load this rock on some sort of a barge, thus cutting the land distance from over 104 miles to just 12 miles. Let us also assume that they built some structure to unload the rock and to load it on ..... something. So what was available to transport a 160 metric tons rock in 1818? According to our traditional knowledge nothing was available. Today we would need something like the below heavy load truck.

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What else could they do to transport this rock? Well, they definitely would not build a rail road because by the late 19th century the car could handle upwards of 40 tons. The rock for the King Bath Tub was 4 times the capacity even for the late 19th century railroad car.

Well, what we have left is an Ancient Egyptian approach. Which is dragging this 160 ton rock to its destination. Sounds funny but some people out there believe this non-sense.

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3. Carving the future King Bath Tub rock to its final shape

Once the rock was supposedly delivered, poor Samson Sukhanov spent his next 10 years with one of the below tools in his hands. After all he had to remove between 70-75% of the 160 ton rock. In the process he had to remember that the tub walls had to be 18.9 inches.

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After the tub was shaped into its current form, it had to be polished on the inside. (And we remember the dimensions of the inside cavity were 5 feet deep by 17.5 feet wide.) Today we would use something like this.

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What exactly was used in the early 19th century I don't know. But they did a mighty fine sanding job working with something having a Mohs hardness rating of seven.

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Because with regular sandpaper it would have taken way longer then 10 years. The tab, of course, is perfectly round which is only achievable if some sort of a rotating mechanism was used.

Strangely, there was no water supply line to the bath tub installed. Pretty weird, considering all the hard labor and long years put into constructing such a monster. Maybe building things like that was some sort of a punishment those days.

Summary: Unless our knowledge and understanding of the technological capabilities of the people in the early 19th century is fundamentally wrong, there is no way they were able to deliver the rock, and build this King Bath Tub. Of course, if we credit our predecessors with some brain, and thinking ability, we might find an answer.

The existence of this tub suggests one of the two possibilities:
  • 19th century masonry professionals knew the process of casting granite. And while granite casting is a far-fetched idea, there is some information about stone engineering in the past. According to Rupert Gunnis a Dutchman named Van Spangen set up an artificial stone manufactury at Bow in London in 1800. Of course it went nowhere.
  • 19th century did have means to transport the rock, and produce this 3,170 gallon tub. Than where is the equipment?
Once again, there is something very mysterious hidden in the recent past. We are not talking about some 2 thousand years ago. This time it is barely 200 years back.

There was a different spin on our today's world civilization. And the switch happened in the 19th century. We are not privy to this information. After all, some group went a long way to turn this world upside down. They wiped out many different cities, and killed a lot of people. Why would they tell us about it?

But they did a sloppy job covering it up...
 
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It's funny to read that the Nazi's were unable to move this enormous tub, despite having relatively advanced technologies to their disposal. (compared to when this was originally transported)

Purely intuitive statement here, but this could correlate directly to the 'giants were among us' topic.

Excellent post, as always.
 
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I could definitely see how this object could correlate to the giants. For the humans of our size things like this tub make very little sense.

Another thing for me was the technology itself. There is an opinion that it was made using some sort of a stone cutting machine. The only problem is that we still do not have machines big enough to produce anything like this tub.
 
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I think they never finished it up, as far as little details go. That’s why nobody can figure out what it was for.

And it had to be some sort of artificial polymer granite type of thing.
 
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What I find interesting in reference to the above image, is that this guy has no clue what he is standing next to.

As well as we have no idea who really built this bowl, which was probably some wine glass. Looks like it might have a leg there.

Our scientists are good at is assigning times, dates and names to make it look like they got everything figured out.
 

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Our scientists are good at is assigning times, dates and names to make it look like they got everything figured out.
Absolutely! The 'man charged with the hidding/lying/obviscation of such finds must nearly have an aneurysm when such finds are so crazily oversized... its a pity how many people buy into it and don't light a fire of questions under his ass.
 

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China has all sorts of cool stuff they don't let anyone see. You can tell even these guys have no idea where these Anunnaki looking dudes came from (same Ming Tombs collection from 1873-74)

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statue of peter the great and its thunderstone
The statue's pedestal is the enormous Thunder Stone, the largest stone ever moved by humans. The stone originally weighed about 1500 tonnes, but was carved down during transportation to its current size [1,200 tons ].
For the pedestal, an enormous rapakivi granite monolith boulder known as the Thunder Stone (Russian: Гром-Камень) was found at Lakhta, 6 km (3.7 mi) inland from the Gulf of Finland in 1768. The Thunder Stone gained its name from a local legend that thunder split a piece off the stone. Falconet wanted to work on shaping the stone in its original location, but Catherine ordered it be moved before being cut.
 
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Moving this stone is one of those things, where I think that on paper everything is possible.

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This is an artificial stone which can be clearly seen below.

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Additionally, there is a strong opinion in Russia that the only thing related to Peter the Great there is its head. The rest of the statue is wearing an ancient roman attire, and sporting a gladius sword.

The below statue is in Rome.

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This here is Alexander the Great and Peter the Great

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And this here is the Alexander Column in Saint Pererburg.

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