Pompeiigate Scandal: Chronology Issues

Important: On August 20, 1763, an inscription [...] Rei Publicae Pompeianorum [...] was found and the city was identified as Pompeii.

OK, this is a bit more than just an attempt to better date the Pompeii annihilation, for we also have a few other events and occurrences mixed in. All of these things do contribute to the global deception. Are we being deceived? That would be for you to judge.

We are gonna cover the following areas:
  1. Pompeii victims fossilization/petrification
  2. Pompeii dating: 79 AD or 1482 AD or 1631 AD?
  3. Ruling out 79 AD
  4. Domenico Fontana's 1592 Water Conduit
  5. Pompeii re-discovery of 1748
  6. 1482 date of destruction
  7. 1631 date of destruction
  8. Pompeii in color...
  9. Vesuvius did not bury Pompeii
  10. 1492, Columbus and the New World
  11. X-185 Chronology
1. Pompeii: Human Petrification
This #1 has nothing to do with dating, at the same time it kind of does. If something is fossilized, we normally end up hearing about some million year old dinos, or similar type stuff. As far as Pompeii goes, the remains are firmly described (by the PTB) as such:
  • Organic remains, including wooden objects and human bodies, were entombed in the ash and decayed leaving voids which archaeologists found could be used as moulds to make plaster casts of unique and often gruesome figures in their final moments of life.
  • As excavators continued to uncover human remains, they noticed that the skeletons were surrounded by voids in the compacted ash. By carefully pouring plaster of Paris into the spaces, the final poses, clothing, and faces of the last residents of Pompeii came to life.
  • In the 1840s, Giuseppi Forelli, director of excavations, poured liquid plaster into the spaces left by the corpses buried in the ash bank at Pompeii. This allowed visitors to see what the victims really looked like and wore in their final moments.
As we can see, we are lead to believe that voids were recognized by the archaeologists, and they filled them with plaster. Hence we have images with similar descriptions. The below one is from here:

But now and then the narrative writers mess up, and publish something like what we have below. The text of the article still says that these are plaster casts, but the images suggest otherwise:

We have many similar examples. Here is another one: Horse, petrified but still harnessed, discovered in Pompeii might have belonged to military general
Unfortunately, this "petrified" issue cannot be dismissed by some reporter's lack of attention, fat-fingering, inattentiveness, or whatever justification we could possibly come up with. Pompeii victims were petrified long before the "plaster cast" infiltrated our history books.

I'm a firm believer that TPTB could not come up with all the lies at the same time, hence, from time to time, they had to adjust their narrative package. But there were times when the PTB were satisfied with their current BS model. In this case we are talking about the 19th century. Here is what was published prior to all this "plaster cast" coverup.

Are these our petrified guards?


And of course we have some possible fossilized Tartarians on one of the older maps. Poor dudes got petrified in stride.

Translation: This rock which has the shapes of people, cattle, camels and other animals and things was once a group of shepherds and their flocks who suddenly petrified in an amazing metamorphosis, without changing their previous appearance. This miracle took place 300 years ago.

The above image was taken from this SH article - Human Fossilization: thousands of years, they say, it takes... - for those interested in petrification stuff. Additionally, you can look at these:
KD human fossilization questions: So, what kind of a volcano eruption can turn humans to stone? And why would it be important to have general public think that there are casts and not petrified humans? What facts about instant petrification do Powers That Be are hiding from us?

And to get us back on the dating track, I wanted to present this sad image from this Pompeii article I mentioned above. I added a portion of the Anatomy of the Human Skull to the image below. There are more similar images here. Apparently we are supposed to believe that skeletons can last for 2,000 years. It's hard to argue with claims like this when we cannot go 2,000 years back to personally verify. But we do have other means to cross-reference the dates...
  • What do we have here, a plastered skeleton, or a partially petrified human? And how old is this poor soul?

2. Pompeii Dating
We finally got to this Pompeii dating thing. As always, when we talk about dating, there are conditions involved. It's not like we are gonna be able to figure out when things happened, but may be we could contribute to understanding when they did not.

As far as the destruction of Pompeii goes we have three dates of its destruction to work with:
It's important to understand that all three dates represent the same event. As far as we know, there was only one Pompeii at this location, and there was only one Herculaneum at this location. There is no information that these cities were rebuilt after getting destroyed by the Vesuvius volcano just to get destroyed by it again. In other words we have no evidence of Pompeii, or Herculaneum getting rebuilt on top of them previous selves.

Significant 79/1482/1631 details:
  • Pliny the Younger provided a first-hand account of the eruption of Mount Vesuvius from his position across the Bay of Naples at Misenum but written 25 years after the event.
  • His uncle, Pliny the Elder, with whom he had a close relationship, died while attempting to rescue stranded victims.
In other words, we have Pliny the Younger (61AD - 113AD) and Pliny the Elder (24AD - 79AD). The significance of shifting their lives to the vicinity of 1482-1631 is impossible to underestimate. True researchers could probably follow up on the possibility of one of these Pliny dudes having an aka of:

It is just like with anything else, the works attributed to both of our Pliny gentlemen just magically popped up in the 15th century and/or later:
  • Pliny the Younger: The first - incomplete - edition of Pliny's Epistles was published in Italy in 1471. Sometime between 1495 and 1500 Giovanni Giocondo discovered a manuscript in Paris of Pliny's tenth book of letters, containing his correspondence with Trajan, and published it in Paris, dedicating the work to Louis XII. More on his manuscripts can be had here. Frivolously dated to whatever, located in 15th century.
  • Pliny the Elder: they made it real hard to find out when the first copies of the non-existent ancient originals were located. I am yet to see one located prior to 1400 AD. I have a feeling that Poggio Bracciolini had something to do with finding the very first known copies of Pliny the Elder.
3. Ruling Out 79AD
To familiarize yourself with many different aspects of why 79AD is hardly possible you can visit this page here. I would like to concentrate on #6 from the linked page - Domenico Fontana's Water Conduit of 1590s. Let me present an official time line of the events with Fontana's Conduit factored in.
  • 79 A.D.- the ancient Roman city of Pompeii was buried under 4 to 6 m (13 to 20 ft) of volcanic ash in the eruption of Mount Vesuvius.​
    • After thick layers of ash covered Pompeii and Herculaneum, they were abandoned and eventually their names and locations were forgotten.
  • 1592 - Cavalier Domenico Fontana was building a water conduit. The underground water canal ended up going through the yet undiscovered city of Pompeii. The first time any part of Pompeii was unearthed was in 1592. While digging an underground channel to divert the river Sarno, workers ran into ancient walls covered with paintings and inscriptions. The architect Domenico Fontana was called in; he unearthed a few more frescoes, then covered them over again, and nothing more came of the discovery. Fontana's covering over the paintings has been seen both as a broad-minded act of preservation for later times, and as censorship in view of the frequent sexual content of such paintings. KD: that terrible sexual content...
  • 1748 - it was only in 1748 that the exploration phase began, under the King of Naples Charles III of Bourbon.​
4. 1592 Fontana's Conduit
aka Canal of Count Sarno
Domenico Fontana portion of the Pompeii Wikipedia page is worded in a very convoluted manner. Dedicated Domenico Fontana pages in Wikipedia, Encyclopedia.COM and Encyclopedia Britannica do not mention anything about the water conduit. I believe the fact that Mr. Fontana is being deprived of his Canal construction achievement could be directly related to how controversial the fact of its existence is.

I will attempt to visually explain why this water conduit is important. Let us say we have our Pompeii-city represented by the image below.


One day, in 79 AD, a nearby volcano erupts and buries this city under many feet of ash, killing its occupants.


1,513 years later in 1592, when everyone forgot about the location and name of Pompeii, there was an open uninhabited area where Pompeii once stood. A Wiki quote follows: Nevertheless, over the following centuries, its name and location were forgotten.

... Pompeii is down under somewhere...

During the same year of 1592, Domenico Fontana was building an underground water canal going through the above open area. He did not know that Pompeii was buried underneath...
  • The first time Pompeii was rediscovered was in 1592, when the digging of an underground channel to divert the River Sarno ran into ancient walls covered with paintings and inscriptions. The architect Domenico Fontana was called in; he unearthed a few more frescoes, then covered them over again, and nothing more came of the discovery. A wall inscription had mentioned a decurio Pompeii but its reference to the long-forgotten Roman city was missed.
In other words, in 1592 Domenico Fonatna and Co failed to understand that it was the city of Pompeii. But he did build his water conduit aka Canal of Count Sarno through, inside and underneath the buried city of Pompeii. In the process, Fontana built several water wells with some of them looking similar to the ones below.


Note: Fontana did not build similar water wells on top of the buried city of Pompeii. He built those at the street level. For that he had to excavate to the street level of Pompeii, get water well structures built and re-bury the excavated area.
  • Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
5. Rediscovery of 1748
Herculaneum itself was rediscovered in 1738 by workmen digging for the foundations of a summer palace for the King of Naples, Charles of Bourbon. Due to the spectacular quality of the finds, the Spanish military engineer Rocque Joaquin de Alcubierre made excavations to find further remains at the site of Pompeii in 1748, even if the city was not identified.
  • As you can see, TPTB claims that as late as 1748 they still did not identify the city as Pompeii. The city was recognized as Pompeii only in 1763.
  • The above paragraph is from here.
This is where we need to thank the designer company mistaken for Piranesi, and specifically a Mr. L. Despres for providing us with the below drawing titled:

View of the Temple of Isis which today exists among the remains of the ancient city of Pompeii...jpg

The red-squared water well with a few dudes and a letter "F" is one of the water wells constructed by Domenico Fontana in 1592. It was built 156 years prior to any excavations of 1748.

  • F (ita) - Pozzo ove si gettavano le ceneri delle vittime, coperto di due sportelli mobili a tetto
  • F (eng) - Well where the ashes of the victims were thrown, covered with two mobile roof hatches
    • The well, and hatches were built by Domenico Fontana.
    • And those 1,450 yer old ashes of the victims they were throwing down the well...
View of the Temple of Isis which today exists among the remains of the ancient city of Pompeii...jpg

Essentially we are supposed to believe that Domenico Fontana went through the buried city of Pompeii, built an underground water canal and outfitted it with a few of the water well access points similar to the one above. Say what?
  • You will get a chance to see actual photographs via 3 links I posted down the article.
Somewhere below the well lies the actual Fontana's Water Conduit aka Canal of Count Sarno, with water well providing an access point. This water well was probably too much to explain, and as you can see below the access point was significantly altered.

Yet, on the 19th century "Pompeii: Temple of Isis" postcard, the water well was pretty much intact.


Now I want to direct you to the below links where you can see many different photographs of the Domenico Fontana's Water Conduit. The one he built in 1529 AD... 1,450 years after the destruction of the city of Pompeii.

6. 1482 Date of Destruction
One of the alternate dates for the Pompeii destruction is 1482. There is not much information pertaining to this date. The only source of information comes from the so called Augsburg Book of Miracles. It is an illustrated manuscript allegedly made in Augsburg in Germany in the 16th century.

The manuscript itself was probably produced between 1545 and 1552. The leaves were rebound in the nineteenth century. Some are missing, with only one or two recently re-identified. The manuscript is now in the collection of art collector Mickey Cartin.
  • The manuscript consists of 123 surviving folios with 23 inserts. Each page is illuminated in full colour in gouache and watercolour. Each illumination is captioned in German Gothic script. The manuscript has no introduction, title page, list of contents or dedication. Instead it launches straight into its sequence of illustrations and commentary. It is written in rough chronological order, from the Old Testament through various phenomena and portents from Antiquity up to the time of production and finishing with the Book of Revelation.
  • The book reappeared in in 2007 at a German auction house, and was promptly bought by a British dealer called James Faber, who sold it to a private collector (Mickey Cartin?).
Folio 85: The image in question.

I do have this book, and below are photographs of the alleged translation.




As you can see, the book publisher made sure when the eruption of Vesuvius took place. We do need to remember that it was 79 AD, and not 1482.

On a separate note, with this book magically appearing in 2007, I am not sure what to think of it. This 1482 date is definitely interesting because it makes more sense than 79 AD, imho that is.

Of additional interest could be the very next Folio #86.

Folio 86


Once again we are being told that the date presented in the book is incorrect, and we must understand the date differently. Meanwhile the following rivers got flooded simultaneously:
  • Tiber - Wikipedia
    • The Tiber is the third-longest river in Italy, rising in the Apennine Mountains in Emilia-Romagna and flowing 406 kilometres (252 mi) through Tuscany, Umbria and Lazio, where it is joined by the river Aniene, to the Tyrrhenian Sea, between Ostia and Fiumicino.
    • It drains a basin estimated at 17,375 square kilometres (6,709 sq mi). The river has achieved lasting fame as the main watercourse of the city of Rome, founded on its eastern banks.
  • Po (river) - Wikipedia
    • The Po is a river that flows eastward across northern Italy starting from the Cottian Alps. The Po flows either 652 km (405 mi) or 682 km (424 mi) - considering the length of the Maira, a right bank tributary.
  • Danube - Wikipedia
    • The Danube is Europe's second longest river, after the Volga.
  • Rhine - Wikipedia
    • The Rhine is one of the major European rivers, which has its sources in Switzerland and flows in a mostly northerly direction through Germany and the Netherlands, emptying into the North Sea.
Essentially, half of the Europe (at least) was flooded, "great many people and livestock drowned"... and what caused all that? Events of this nature are not being emphasized in our schools. Meanwhile, the information is clearly there to be found and studied.


Why am I dragging floods into it? Because none of this events happen today with such magnitude and frequency as they did back than. In my opinion, these so-called "natural" cataclysms have some common denominator. The one we are yet to discover. After all, what do we really know?
7. 1631 Date of Destruction
It makes no sense to paraphrase an already existing article dedicated to this specific Pompeii destruction date. But to augment the mentioned article, I will post
an interesting description of the Vesuvius eruption of 1631.

On 16 December 1631 between 6:00 and 7:00 am an unexpected eruption began. Darkness fell over the entire area around the volcano, and there were continuous earthquakes. During the night of 16-17 December, earthquakes occurred every 1-15 minutes.
  • At about 2:00 am on 17 December, a heavy rainfall began which mobilized fallen ash to form lahars.
    • Lahars are mudslides caused by the mixing of volcanic ash and debris with water. They can occur when the heat from a volcano melts snow and ice on the volcano's summit, or if an eruption disturbs a crater lake.
    • Lahars can cause great environmental and economic damage. They can cover fertile fields and topple buildings. Lahars are very dangerous, and anyone caught in the path of one is in great danger of death from severe crushing injuries.
  • At about 11:00 am on the 17th, after a strong and continuous series of earthquakes, a large mass of ash, gas and stones shot out of the crater and spilled down on all sides of the erupting cone, covering it almost completely. Reports at the time speak of the apparent disintegration, or liquefaction, of the mountain. The swift movement of the material resembled the flow of water. The flowing ash sped downward along the main valleys, destroying all vegetation and buildings in it's path and killing all living beings it's way. Some 10 minutes later, a tsunami with runup heights of 2-5 yards hit the shores.
    • Pyroclastic material is another name for a cloud of ash, lava fragments carried through the air, and vapor. Such a flow is usually *very* hot, and moves *rapidly* due to buoyancy provided by the vapors. Pyroclastic flows can extend miles from the volcano, and devastate life and property within their paths.
    • Damage from pyroclastic flows can occur by impact of rock fragments moving at high speeds or burial of the surface with ash and coarser debris a foot or more thick. Hot pyroclastic surges may start fires and kill or burn people and animals. The most devastating pyroclastic flow occured during the eruption of Mt. Pelee in 1902.
  • After 6:00 pm on17 December, there was a marked decrease in the strength of the activity. Further activity continued, but with declining intensity for the next several days.
  • When the main phase of the eruption was over, at least 3000 and maybe up to 6000 people were dead. In a daring manoeuvre, rescue teams saved thousands of survivors on 19 December who had been lucky to stay in areas spared by the flowing ash.
The above info is from here. It has this image of the 1631 eruption done by Giovanni Battista Passari.

Below is an image by Giovanni Battista Mascolo from 79 A.D. no more. Pompeii got buried in 1631.
  • In this work Neapolitan Jesuit Giovanni Battista Mascolo records his observations of the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 1631.

It looks like Giovanni Batista was a "go to" name for fabricating evidence. Obviously one image has Pompeii and Herculaneum, and they correspond to letters E and D on the other one.
  • Pompeii = E = Torre Dell' Anttiata - Torre Annunziata
    • The city was destroyed in the Vesuvius eruption of 79 AD and in 1631.
  • Herculaneum = D = Torre dello grieco - Torre del Greco
    • In Roman times, Torre del Greco was probably a suburb of Herculaneum, characterized by patrician's villas.
    • In 79 AD the eruption of Vesuvius buried the area under debris.
    • In 1631 Torre del Greco was again damaged by an eruption of Vesuvius.

I like this little combo too. Who's lying?


Meanwhile TPTB says: Compared with the AD 79 eruption, the event of 1631 was of minor proportions regarding eruptive magnitude and erupted volumes but not in terms of destruction and fatalities. Beginning on 16 December 1631 and culminating the day after, it destroyed all towns and villages around the volcano and killed at least 3000 and maybe up to 6000 persons. It was thus the worst volcanic disaster in the Mediterranean during the past 1800 years.
The Main Pompeii Article: 79 A.D. no more: Pompeii got buried in 1631. The article contains nine points of proof.
  1. Old Maps: 1514, 1570, 1575, 1603
  2. Etchingss: 1633
  3. Epitaffio di Portici: 1631
  4. The Three Graces: 1st century AD vs. 1503/1505
  5. Pineapples on the Pompeii frescoes
  6. Domenico Fontana's Water Conduit: 1590s and water wells
  7. Piranesi and Pompeii
  8. Christianity in "Before Christ" Pompeii, ROTAS (CIL IV 8623)
  9. Pompeii Surgical Tools

8. Pompeii in Color
This here is probably one of the most provocative issues I wanted to raise in this Pompeii article. A few months ago I came across two volumes of a hand written/drawn book titled:
  • Pompeii unpublished [Dessins de l'édition de 1832 donnant le résultat des fouilles post 1819 (?)]
  • Pompeii unpublished [Drawings from the 1832 edition showing the results of the excavations post 1819 (?)]
    • Manuscript remained almost completely unpublished; Drawings representing monuments revealed by the new clearances made on the site until 1831
A historian might tell you that there is nothing remarkable to see there, but make no mistake, for there are things which allow for a lot of questioning of the narrative, including the dating. Who got to see the city of Pompeii in color, and when?






The House of Sallust is a domus or elite residence in the ancient Roman city of Pompeii. The oldest parts of the house have been dated to the 4th century BC, but the main expansions were built in the 2nd century BC. The long history of this structure provides important evidence about the development of elite residences in Pompeii. The house is located on the east side of the Via Consolare. It received its modern name from an election notice placed on the facade, recommending Gaius Sallustius for office. An alternative name is the House of A. Cossus Libanus, from a seal found in the ruins.
  • It was first excavated between 1805 and 1809, was damaged by a bomb in World War II, and was restored in 1970.
  • House of Sallust - Wikipedia
Watercolors by Luigi Bazzani of the House of Sallust when first excavated.



For those interested in discussing the unpublished Pompeii books (there are several small brochures in there) you can visit the following article:
To see the actual books, please follow this links here:
9. Vesuvius did not bury Pompeii
I spent hours looking at the above mentioned unpublished Pompeii sketch book. The conclusion, aka hypothesis I come to is rather unorthodox. I start thinking that Vesuvius did not bury the city of Pompeii. The alleged post-excavation images appear to be no different from all the other ruins depicted by Capriccio artists. We can clearly see vegetation covering tops and sides of the buildings, and we see preserved colors. Is this consistent with a fairly recently excavated place? Is it consistent with being buried by ashes and dirt for 1,450 years? What about being rained on and getting flooded for 1,450 years?


How come we have a palm tree right in front of the Soldiers Quarters in Pompeii? Are they excavating there, or what?


Additionally, is anyone out here aware of any restoration works done in Pompeii aimed at restoring the city to its original state of appearance?



Were the PTB making up names on the fly? "now called of Mercury" was clearly added later. How much later, and why was it needed to rename the Temple West(?) of Forum into the Temple of Mercury?


KD Pompeii hypothesis: I will refrain from mentioning any dates for right now. Those will be included in the final summary. For right now I will simply include the sequence of events as I see them. I could be wrong, but this is my opinion for today:
  • The city of Pompeii simply goes about its own business...
  • Domenico Fontana builds his water conduit through an active and living city of Pompeii.
  • The city of Pompeii gets ruined by the Vesuvius eruption, which was possibly artificial.
  • The city of Pompeii lies in ruins, similar to many other places. Some areas of the city were covered in ashes, but the city was not buried... yet.
  • Attempts were possibly made to restore the city of Pompeii
  • The city of Pomeii gets finally buried in the mudflood (possibly manmade) event of the 19th century.
    • In my understanding we are talking about 1812-1871 here.
  • The city of Pompeii starts getting excavated. Excavations are still ongoing...
10. 1492, Columbus & the New World
We all know that Columbus discovered America in 1492. Bar several technicalities involving him not quite making it to the continent, this 1492 date is pretty much set in stone. Let's not go into vikings, Fousang Chinese discoverers at the moment. We are concerned with dating in this article.

Let us consider this allegedly 1652 map titled: Nova Totius Terrarum Orbis geographica ac hydrographica tabula and executed by 1652 world map by Claes Janszoon Vissche. The issue we are about to review was corrected on the majority of the existing digital copies, but not on all of them, and the issue looks like this...
  • "America was first detected by Christopher Columbus (Christophore Colombo) in 1592, but was more broadly uncovered by Amerigo Vespucci (Americo Vesputio) in 1599.
1652 Nova Totius Terrarum Orbis geographica ac hydrographica tabula_1_1.jpg

Officially, there is only one way to explain Mr. Colombo discovering America in 1592, and Mr. Vespucci improving on Mr. Colombo in 1599... this has to be a typo, right? Well, may be not, and you can read up on some of the opinions of our forum members in this article: Columbus "discovered" America in 1592?

11. X-185 Chronology
Thanks to mythstifieD (and Dr. Fomenko of course) we have an opportunity to factor in the so-called X-185 Chronology. According to the New Chronology of Fomenko and Nosovskiy, the European colonization of America, as we know it, begins in the second half of the 17th century, and before there were routes between Europe and America through the Atlantic Ocean, where there were Jews, Christians and Muslims. Multiple and extraordinary proofs corroborate it. Of the same, this investigation demonstrates, without a doubt, that the ancient history and the chronicle of sacred texts refer to events that took place during the Middle Ages. Otherwise, according to X-185 Chronology, the discovery of Columbus is linked to the dismantling of the Order of the Temple of Solomon and, at the same time, there is an additional chronological leap that gives it meaning. It is necessary to understand Middle Ages 185 years closer and, the facts of the Order of the Temple of Solomon, it is necessary to understand them 185 additional years later, until the gates of the 18th century. The 16th and 17th centuries of the Hispanic Habsburg did not exist. Following the article of historical reconstruction:
  • The official year 1520 corresponds to the year 1705 real, and coincides with four capital episodes: 1) with the previous stage to the fall of the headquarters of Rhodes of the Order of Saint John, heir of the Order of the Temple of Solomon: 2) with the beginning of the European fight for the control of Italy, Rome and the Crown of the Spanish; 3) with the taking of possession of Mexico, by Cortés (which would be the Count of Ribagorça and Cortés, imperial blood from Constantinople, from Laskaris Comnenus family, leaders from the Constantinian Order of Saint George); and 4) with the beginning of the so-called Christian Schism of the West, which began in 1520 (1705) with the work The captivity of Babylon, written by Martin Luther.
  • The official year 1540 corresponds to the year 1725, and it coincides with the founding of the Society of Jesus, which in a few decades directs the reconstruction of history with the collaboration of the main imperial headquarters of Europe, North Africa, Middle East, Persia, India, China, Japan and America. This production fills the history books with the imaginary of the 16th and 17th centuries, all of them books published from then on but with dates sent to the past.
  • In 1725 the Treaty of Vienna is agreed, which ends decades of struggles throughout Europe. The agreements become a global pact that legitimizes the distribution of half the world between the recently recreated European states. The Society of Jesus was created then, not before, and its main business was to spread the Messianic Bible and reconstruct history by reconciling all the calendars of the world.
The entire article: X-185 Chronology: Another mental map for the discovery of America

Going back to Pompeii, where we have a 149 year difference between 1631 and 1482. This is not quite 185, but pretty close. I think a similar principle applies here and 1482 equals 1631 but at a different time frame of the TPTB narrative.

We need to remember, that Joseph Scaliger was born in 1540, and died in 1609. Allegedly, of course. As you know, he is the one credited with the historical chronology we use today.
  • In 1606 finally, he published his Thesaurus temporum, in which he collected, restored, and arranged every chronological relic extant in Greek or Latin.
  • Prior to it, the Chronicon of Eusebius was widely used in the medieval world to establish the dates and times of historical events.
    • Consists of two parts: the first was probably called by Eusebius the "Chronograph" or "Chronographies"; the second he terms the "Canon", or "Canons", and also the "Chronological Canons".
    • The original is lost, but both parts are preserved in an Armenian version of which two rival translations by Zohrab and Aucher, respectively, were published in 1818.
    • CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Chronicle of Eusebius
Scaliger, being born in 1540, hardly had any influence on the Book of Miracles, which was allegedly compiled between 1545 and 1552. I have my doubts about the authenticity of this book (due to only popping up in 2007), but considering "messed up" event dates similar to 1482 Pompeii destruction, it just as well could be legit. Could it be some soft disclosure of information, previously kept in the Vatican Library Secret Archives? May be it could.

KD Summary: Well, my two cents on the chronology issue will sound simple - WE ARE SCREWED. Without some outside help we will hardly ever be able to place all of the events in the proper chronological order.

Yet, we could probably try to rearrange various historical epochs. Just think about it. Most of the so-called ancient statues and busts were discovered either in the 19th century or later. Most of the archaeological excavations were initiated either in the 19th century or later. The first pre-historic cave was discovered in 1879. Our cities are full of Roman and Greek dudes wearing togas, when they should have had a Jesus or two at every corner ever since pre 1100 AD aka the times of Holy Inquisition.

What was discovered during 19th century excavations? - Naked dudes, or dudes wearing togas.

Just look at these articles:
Yup, prior to shaving his beard and getting a haircut in 1825, Julius Caesar looked like the dude in this double image below.

And only in 1940 we understood that Julius Caesar did some personal maintenance and recognized him for who he was. Appearances are deceiving!

Julius Caesar


The Pompeiigate is a powerful can of historical worms, and this tool needs to be used to intelligently debate our pseudo-historical establishment.
  • This tool also needs to be used to place historical time frames in the proper order.
Based on the late 18th and 19th century discoveries it could be logical to conclude that shortly prior to these dates people were wearing togas, and looked like Ancient Romans.

And while we will always have people batting for the narrative, giants do have to be properly investigated and findings documented.


George Washington
1732 - 1799

Made by Horatio G.
Of course our 19th century is a riddle of it own, and figuring it out could be harder than anything else. It just could be that this so-called 19th century lasted over 500 years...
I have only a curiosity to add. It is said that the Black Death (1346-1353) spared Milan, no one knows exactly why. But Milan was the principal victim of the Great Plague of Milan (1629-1631 - 1629–1631 Italian plague - Wikipedia), which spared Europe and most of Italy.
That was the time of the Thirty Years' War (Thirty Years' War - Wikipedia), during which it is stated that "Estimates of total military and civilian deaths range from 4.5 to 8 million, mostly from disease or starvation. In some areas of Germany, it has been suggested that up to 60% of the population died."
About the name "Black Death", in 1908, Gasquet claimed that use of the name atra mors for the 14th-century epidemic first appeared in a 1631 book on Danish history by J. I. Pontanus: "Commonly and from its effects, they called it the black death" (Vulgo & ab effectu atram mortem vocitabant). (Black Death - Wikipedia).
So I think these are clues to the possibility of a duplication of the same same event later backdated in time...
The 1482 date for the eruption of Vesuvius - which you mentioned above - may be also accurate - I'm still researching the evidence for this but based on old documents, I'd concluded that Vesuvius had already blown her top - prior to 1631 - and perhaps two or three times - as we also know Krakatoa / Little Krakatoa has also erupted more than once... and other volcanoes.

Some evidence suggests c1400 - give or take several decades - for one of the previous eruptions.
Pliny the Elder could only die once. 1482 record has this mentioned.


With his death being linked to Pompeii and Herculaneum getting buried, it appears it had to be the same eruption.
As for Pliny's Epistles published in 1471 with his death in 1631 ... that would make Pliny the Elder over 160 years old... I can explain this if you're interested. This is one of the mind-blowing truths that the lunatics are so desperate to hide from us.
As for Pliny's Epistles published in 1471 with his death in 1631 ... that would make Pliny the Elder over 160 years old... I can explain this if you're interested. This is one of the mind-blowing truths that the lunatics are so desperate to hide from us.
Judging by some of the life spans mentioned here, I could see how this age could be possible.
If Pliny the Elder died in the 1482 eruption of Vesuvius, this would place Nero c1400 ...
contradictions in the old literature, in the old artwork, in the old maps, etc., suggest a lot of forgeries
which result in a lot of money for the liars.
Judging by some of the life spans mentioned here, I could see how this age could be possible.
Long lifespans of hundreds of years are also documented by the Hebrews, the Chinese, etc. - our shorter lifespans are explained by the eight months that were added to the calendar throughout the 1500's, 1600's and early 1700's.
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Just like I mentioned in the article, 1482 and 1631 could mean the exact same moment in time. It would really depend on the chronology used by the recorders. There are many weird dates of known events out there. Here we have several examples of strange looking dates.
  • From this perspective, Pliny the Elder would not have to live longer than what we are used to.
Just like I mentioned in the article, 1482 and 1631 could mean the exact same moment in time. It would really depend on the chronology used by the recorders. There are many weird dates of known events out there. Here we have several examples of strange looking dates.
  • From this perspective, Pliny the Elder would not have to live longer than what we are used to.
Yes, I've seen that different countries and regions were using different calendars - I've also seen that Italy and neighboring regions were hit by a series of cataclysms c1400.
To me it was and always being the fact that the cloth and everything seemed closer to what people was wearing in the 1400's and not in 79 AD. even the medical artefacts recovered were the same used in the Middle Ages not during Roman days.
Good news, they're still finding stuff at Pompeii:

The chariot is preserved in remarkable detail, officials say, with four iron wheels, metal armrests and backrests, and a seat perched atop that could sit one or two people. Notably, the chariot is adorned with metal medallions depicting satyrs, nymphs and cupids, suggesting the possibility that it may have been used in marriage ceremonies...

..."I was astounded," said Eric Poehler, a professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst who has a specialty in traffic in ancient Pompeii. "Many of the vehicles I'd written about before ... are your standard station wagon or vehicle for taking the kids to soccer. This is a Lamborghini. This is an outright fancy, fancy car."

No word yet on whether the Bluetooth still worked...

I guess if stuff can survive 1800 years, what's another two hundred?

Meet one of the enemies of truth:
  • Eric E. Poehler is Associate Professor of Classics, Director of the Five Colleges Blended Learning and Digital Humanities programs, and Co-Director of the Pompeii Quadriporticus Project at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. He has published widely on Roman urbanism, infrastructure, and architectural history.
  • Eric Poehler | Department of Classics
  • Eric Poehler | Amherst
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Very interesting stuff, thanks.

Here is a French study showing how the arch of Titus was "restored" during the 19th century. The French were very deeply involved in "restorations" all over Italy in the 19th century. It's in French, but you'll find an english summary at the end, and there are lots of very interesting depictions of monuments before their "restoration".
Probably not relevant, but ecclesiastical calendars use the golden number, where you divide by 19, take the remainder, and add 1. This is how they figure out the dates for various religious ceremonies that depend on the moon's phase (19-year metonic cycles). If the remainder is 0, then you use 19, and that year is the end of a cycle. 1482/19=78, remainder 0. If instead of adding one to the remainder (which there is none, in this case), you add it to the result, you get 79. There are a lot of different number/calendar systems out there, and I'm not sure if any do it that way.

Also interesting is that the Augsburg Book of Miracles was originally believed to have been written by Burgkmair the Elder, but was likely written by his son, Burgkmair the Younger.
This pdf suggests that Burgkmair the Elder may have had access to Pliny's work in Konrad Peutinger's library, which was apparently one of the largest private libraries at the time. If Konrad had copies (or originals?) of Pliny's work, it would have been right around the time they were first discovered. Footnote 40 in that pdf references a reconstruction of what was in his library, but I couldn't easily find a free source for that (though I didn't look too hard).

Peutinger is famous for the 'Peutinger Map' [AKA Tabula Peutingeriana] which he got from his friend Konrad Celtes, who was alleged to be a book thief. Or at least that's how they explain all these works popping into existence in his library and elsewhere. Wikipediia says they took great pains to obfuscate where the map originated from. On the map, which is apparently a 13th century copy of a 5th century map, is Pompei. It's right near the center. Experts say that the 5th century map must have been a copy of an earlier map (from when Pompei existed). But the 5th century version includes things that are 'known' to have only existed after Pompei was destroyed. The map wasn't ever published in either Conrad's life. Some sources say he donated it to Emperor Maximillian. Others say the family 'lost' it, rediscovered it about a century later, and then published copies of it. Which makes me wonder about the timeline of history. So many things, like this map, are deemed to have been 'discovered' by someone. In this case it was discovered by Konrad Celtes, who died and left it to his friend Konrad Peutinger. Many decades after his death, it's rediscovered by his family, and they publish it. This feels more like how you would create a fake provenance for an item. I wonder how many other discoveries are linked to people, but never made public until long after their death.

And if history is falsified, it might not be the people most suspected, but those further down the line.
Merry Christmas everybody.

As usual this time of the year Santa Claus is entering our houses through our chimneys to leave us some presents.

This year we were particularly good so he decided to give us a "nativity-scene-like" back from the year 79 AD, because everybody knows how the "ancient" Romans particularly liked to anticipate fashions by at least 1200 years, as wikipedia says.
Archaeologists have found 13 Nativity-Scene-like terracotta statuettes during excavations at the Pompeii archaeological site.
Although the Christmas creche was obviously not a tradition in the pagan Roman city, experts believe the statues were arranged in a way that suggests they were part of an ancient ritual.
The pieces were found in a room in a domus near to the house of Leda and the Swan, where excavation and restoration work is ongoing.
The small sculptures are about 15 centimetres high.
They include human figures and they were found in an upright position on a horizontal plane, probably a shelf.
There is also the clay head of a cockerel, a glass pine cone, an almond and a walnut.
The room that held them, probably the atrium of the house, also had decorations that have been discovered on the walls.


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