Victory Columns were Airship Mooring Masts?

Aiahavezred · Mar 18, 2021

Very interesting.

I find it odd that almost every one has the same pedestal on top, with the same trim around it. No matter the designer or year constructed, or country, they all chose the same embellishment. Like it was standardized.

Triskell · Mar 18, 2021

These columns have always made me think of electric generators, like the devices we can see on ancient buildings. But presented that way, from an aviation perspective, it makes sense. Perhaps the function was twofold, to moor the aircrafts and recharge them electrically.

Atlantis · Mar 20, 2021

What were the problems in our modern era with these giant crafts? First and foremost they present a giant surface area for the wind to move against it like a sail. Cross winds and headwinds of a powerful nature create serious problems for these kinds of crafts. An airplane minimizes the surface area in the direction of travel in order to be most efficient yet these Zeppelin airships have a very large surface area problem in the direction of travel and crosswinds on the side even have more surface area to push the airship around with. Secondly, they will be interacting with lightning and the metal parts inside the airship will act as an attractant to the lightning. In modern aircraft the metal coating around the plane acts as a Faraday cage and protects the interior of the craft from electric forces, however, in an airship this would not be the case as the metal skeleton and other metal parts would preferentially attract these electric forces to the detriment to the rest of the airship. If hydrogen is used as the gas that provides lift then spurious electrical forces would be a great danger to the ship for a hydrogen fire is very hot and burns at 2000 degrees C, the same as natural gas. It also has a low ignition energy and many explosions have happened in transfer stations providing hydrogen.
With so many intractable problems using these airship crafts in our present day weather environment it is a wonder that they were used at all. The construction cost, the size of the airship itself and the gargantuan hanger that they were constructed in and housed when not in use must have been resource intensive. Without modern powerful engines to push the Zeppelin around in high winds it would be impossible to direct them. So let's consider a perfect environment for these crafts to operate. The main problem with an airship would be high winds and cross winds so let's eliminate them as a thought experiment. These winds also make the propulsion of these crafts difficult so by eliminating them we eliminate the need for extremely powerful engines to propel them. Now we come to the lightning problem so let us propose an environment where there is no lightning or rain or storms in the sky where these crafts originally flew. Now we have hypothesized the perfect environment for zeppelins to fly: no wind, no storms and no rain. With no wind the airships would be incredibly stable and controllable. Is this not the climate of Eden? A mild climate over the entire earth with no rain, wind and storms. The only moisture from the sky would be a mist. If there were no storms then lightning would not happen and the crafts could sail in the air without the danger of hydrogen combustion and conflagration. The canal geoengineering found all over the world was a result of this Eden environment of no rain and storms, so waters had to be brought to the lands to be irrigated. I am proposing that the airships were designed originally for another era: Eden weather. The victory columns were also from this era and were used as you say mooring masts to drop of passengers and supplies. I think that the people then were 18-20 feet high so climbing the tower would be less vigorous on them than of our people of a much smaller stature. A thought occurred to me as I write this," Is there room for a large man to climb inside the victory towers?" If not then I think they used air pressure to elevate and lower passengers and the steps were added after the downfall of this Eden time civilization when men shrank to our present size and the antique tech of pneumatic engines was lost.
Imagine flying in a Zeppelin in calm air and descending to land and moor on a tower in the center of a beautiful great city. It must have been a fantastic experience to fly slowly over the country while conversing with travelers and having dinner.

Right Arm · Mar 20, 2021

One thing I have noticed is that most of the pics with these ships/blimps/dirigibles don't have their skies air brushed out, most historic pics without them have brushed skies, just an observation.

The wind is a big problem but yet I feel that these are not faked so either the climate was somehow different to allow such travel or they somehow had an electrical field that negated the problem, If I was forced to chose it would be the second, although how it would work is a bit above my pay grade but yet we all know that our atmos is in itself an electrical body and I should guess that the wind could be a product of that, if for instance one was to know the frequency and had a way to reverse the phase you could theoretically reverse the effect.

Like when you have two audio speakers that are wired out of phase the audio will cancel itself.

Just a thought.

KorbenDallas · Mar 20, 2021

Yup, those brushed skies could be hiding a lot of interesting things including airships.

Right Arm · Mar 20, 2021

To Illustrate my point i have simply applied the bucket fill tool the skies in these two images.

The_Astoria_Column_at_Astoria,_Oregon(becket tooled).jpeg

No words are needed.

EUAFU · Apr 17, 2021

Atlantis commented that airships used hydrogen. In fact, most of them used Helium.

I really don't even know what to think about it.

It may be that these structures were reused due to the creation of airships, but how to really know. What intrigues me most is that writers of the time never write about things like that.

Using these columns as a point of embarkation and disembarkation may have been an attempt to popularize airship travel, but not as widespread. Something like using helicopters to get around the city (something that the rich in São Paulo do to escape traffic jams) but like a sightseeing tour.

But after so many altered photos, who can really know what was in the skies at that time (and we don't even know how long these photos existed)?

Atlantis · Apr 17, 2021

It was found out at the turn of the century that some natural gas wells contained up to 7% helium found only at that time in the gas wells of the state of OK but most percentages are very small so when Helium became available in large quantities but nothing compared to Hydrogen availability, airships wished to have a non-explosive gas for lift. Our present day atmospheric conditions with static and lightning is very dangerous for airships filled with Hydrogen but if an atmosphere that has no electric discharges then Hydrogen would be vastly safer and vastly cheaper to use than Helium.

KorbenDallas · Apr 17, 2021

This is the PTB position on helium. Who knows how it was in reality, and especially prior to the time frames covered by the narrative.

Nekro · May 19, 2021

I read somewhere that these ran on helium and that the England was the main supplier for helium. Then when oil industry took off the Rockefellas had a reason to get the air ships to be seen as a danger. So we couldnt get any helium they used the next lighter gas available which was hydrogen. Then they made sure to film the disaster that they manufactured. This is what I heard but please correct me if I am wrong.

Recognition · May 20, 2021

KorbenDallas said:
900 Water St SW, Olympia, WA is a warehouse property

exactly. Because the best way to store things is straight up and down an enormous tower with a spiral staircase! They don’t even try!

reverendALC · Feb 23, 2022

I took a stroll down the lake and wanted to offer some photos of the base building as well:

I found a document provided by the city of Olympia which listed this building as a “power station” and referenced its fire code compliance status and budgetary info. I emailed this document to you KD, but I can’t seem to locate it now.

if you look closely at the building, you’ll notice a huge amount of white spots uniformly spread across the building faces. These remind me of retrofit seismic bracing. Perhaps for supporting the equipment on the roof?

The closing of the windows is of interest as well, indicating that they may have been closed at different times and with different budgets. Some windows are closed with matching bricks, others with vents and corrugated panels.

the center structure on the roof is clearly newer than it’s flanking structures. Looking at the 2x4 framing, it’s gray and weathered and covered with a weatherizing coating on the bottom. The center structure is very new looking 2x4 framing. What’s inside? You can see beneath the walls clearly, that whatever equipment is there does not extend downward into the building. It’s possible it extends inward toward the center structure.

most curiously of all (to me), is the roofline. Is that an added row of bricks? Why have they weathered so severely when the bricks inches below haven’t? Perhaps a different stone added at a later date, with far more porous properties? Was the original roofline containing a pediment comprised of the horizontal brick stripes immediately below, and a new roof added? The gantry crane indicates that they’re regularly loading/unloading heavy equipment up there.

I’ve also noticed that (from the front-most photo) there is a clearly visible keyed or toothed masonry/mortar pattern. It’s only on the one corner that I could identify.

I wish I had noticed during my visit, the pipes or conduits running up the hill behind. They look rather small compared to fluid pipes I’ve seen before, but there are large holding tanks nearby. If the document was correctly identifying this building as a “power station” it could easily be HV electrical conduit.

it seems fairly obvious that the bay door was cut out and added after the fact, but zooming in you can also see that a roughly 3x3 section of brick top/center of the door was added. The dimensions indicate there was a full length window there before the door was added, and ties the addition of the door to the closing of the left-most windows on the face of the building.

What does it all mean? Does it have anything to do with the original purpose of the building?

I was tempted to disregard the “no trespassing” signs and approach the facility, but prudence got the best of me.

Ilmarinen · Jan 7, 2024

EUAFU said:
Atlantis commented that airships used hydrogen. In fact, most of them used Helium.

I really don't even know what to think about it.

It may be that these structures were reused due to the creation of airships, but how to really know. What intrigues me most is that writers of the time never write about things like that.

Using these columns as a point of embarkation and disembarkation may have been an attempt to popularize airship travel, but not as widespread. Something like using helicopters to get around the city (something that the rich in São Paulo do to escape traffic jams) but like a sightseeing tour.

But after so many altered photos, who can really know what was in the skies at that time (and we don't even know how long these photos existed)?

Ush... helium is a monopoly for USA. If you study the subject it is utter nonsense, an elefant in the room.

Same thing with propeller powered flight. Those propellers are so tiny in comparison to the ship they cant be used as the main propulsion. They are like side propellers on the tanker ship, used to help to make small aiding steering. Airship itself can be flown as hot air balloon but that requires bravery and brains, something modern man lacks since they are both qualities that threatens the globalist idea of "we are all the same" and such qualities are not only discouraged but punished for. Modern airline pilots are nothing but compartmentalised order followers. If you knew these people personally you'd be terrified to board the plane every time. Sorry rant but there it is.

As RightArm wrote, I also think that UFO tech to change electrical field, ether, around the ship was used at some point in the past. Not all airships but those we dont know of. We should not confuse them all to be the same tech.

Silhouette · Jan 7, 2024

Atlantis said:
What were the problems in our modern era with these giant crafts? First and foremost they present a giant surface area for the wind to move against it like a sail. Cross winds and headwinds of a powerful nature create serious problems for these kinds of crafts. An airplane minimizes the surface area in the direction of travel in order to be most efficient yet these Zeppelin airships have a very large surface area problem in the direction of travel and crosswinds on the side even have more surface area to push the airship around with. Secondly, they will be interacting with lightning and the metal parts inside the airship will act as an attractant to the lightning. In modern aircraft the metal coating around the plane acts as a Faraday cage and protects the interior of the craft from electric forces, however, in an airship this would not be the case as the metal skeleton and other metal parts would preferentially attract these electric forces to the detriment to the rest of the airship. If hydrogen is used as the gas that provides lift then spurious electrical forces would be a great danger to the ship for a hydrogen fire is very hot and burns at 2000 degrees C, the same as natural gas. It also has a low ignition energy and many explosions have happened in transfer stations providing hydrogen.
With so many intractable problems using these airship crafts in our present day weather environment it is a wonder that they were used at all. The construction cost, the size of the airship itself and the gargantuan hanger that they were constructed in and housed when not in use must have been resource intensive. Without modern powerful engines to push the Zeppelin around in high winds it would be impossible to direct them. So let's consider a perfect environment for these crafts to operate. The main problem with an airship would be high winds and cross winds so let's eliminate them as a thought experiment. These winds also make the propulsion of these crafts difficult so by eliminating them we eliminate the need for extremely powerful engines to propel them. Now we come to the lightning problem so let us propose an environment where there is no lightning or rain or storms in the sky where these crafts originally flew. Now we have hypothesized the perfect environment for zeppelins to fly: no wind, no storms and no rain. With no wind the airships would be incredibly stable and controllable. Is this not the climate of Eden? A mild climate over the entire earth with no rain, wind and storms. The only moisture from the sky would be a mist. If there were no storms then lightning would not happen and the crafts could sail in the air without the danger of hydrogen combustion and conflagration. The canal geoengineering found all over the world was a result of this Eden environment of no rain and storms, so waters had to be brought to the lands to be irrigated. I am proposing that the airships were designed originally for another era: Eden weather. The victory columns were also from this era and were used as you say mooring masts to drop of passengers and supplies. I think that the people then were 18-20 feet high so climbing the tower would be less vigorous on them than of our people of a much smaller stature. A thought occurred to me as I write this," Is there room for a large man to climb inside the victory towers?" If not then I think they used air pressure to elevate and lower passengers and the steps were added after the downfall of this Eden time civilization when men shrank to our present size and the antique tech of pneumatic engines was lost.
Imagine flying in a Zeppelin in calm air and descending to land and moor on a tower in the center of a beautiful great city. It must have been a fantastic experience to fly slowly over the country while conversing with travelers and having dinner.

A great summary and the thing that strikes me about these towers is their inability to take side loads. If the towers extended down into the ground they would be much stronger, but set on pedestals as they are that's not the case. However I think KD is right on the money with this thread.
Consider this though, if it could be proven that these structures were for airships and we know that they couldn't have functioned in our current high wind environment, this would not only add to the evidence that there has been a major change of climate, but would also give us a more accurate timeline.
Also, and I wish I had a link but I probably read about this before the internet even existed; wasn't Germany under an embargo that forced them to use hydrogen rather than helium, if they still wanted to fly airships? (regarding the Hindenburg)

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