What event turned Scythia into Tartary?

A while back I ran into the map below. It's always interesting why geographical names change, but we rarely get any explanations. This transition from Scythia to Tartary is not an exception. As far as I understand, it's impossible to estimate the true size of Scythia due to the lack of available information. By that I do not imply that it was bigger than Tartary.

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Etymology
Contemplating the origins of the name "Tartary" you can't help it but think about words like Greek Tartarus, or our good old sticky tar. Searching for etymological origins did not produce any definitive answers. An opinion similar to the below one was expected:
  • Spelling was influenced by Latin Tartarus “Hell in Greek mythology.” - source
I do not know, may be Potassium Bitartrate could have something to do with the name of the country, but Tartarus sounds more convincing at the moment. And if Scythia was indeed turned into Tartarus, could the below article be somehow related to the entire issue:
I do understand that 200 and 500 years differ in duration, but what do we really know about our chronology?

Tartary
Our history researching community is trying to find high levels of technology in Tartary. Instead we get texts talking about barbarian hordes roaming the area and living in tents. At the same time, such descriptions do not match the ones provided by people similar to Marco Polo. These descriptions are also not supported by the multitude of cities and towns present on the older maps of Tartary.
  • Tartaria, que Sarmatiam Asiaticam & vtramque Scythiam veterum comprehendit.
  • KD: I can't get a meaningful translation for the above. If you have any ideas, please share below.
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I doubt that tent dwellers would bother building cities similar to Quinsay. But... we have Prester John to cover.

Prester John: Africa vs. Asia
Prester John was a legendary Christian patriarch and king. Stories popular in Europe between the 12th and 17th centuries told of a Christian patriarch and king who was allegedly ruled over an Oriental Christian nation lost amid the pagans and Muslims. Those were the same lands in which the patriarch of the Saint Thomas Christians resided. The accounts are varied collections of medieval popular fantasy, depicting Prester John as a descendant of the Three Magi, ruling a kingdom full of riches, marvels, and strange creatures.
As far as I understand, various sources place Prester John in two major areas, with one being Africa, and the other one India. At first, Prester John was imagined to reside in India; tales of the Nestorian Christians' evangelistic success there and of Thomas the Apostle's subcontinental travels as documented in works like the Acts of Thomas probably provided the first seeds of the legend.

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After the coming of the Mongols to the Western world, accounts placed the king in Central Asia, and eventually Portuguese explorers came to believe that they had found him in Ethiopia.


For the purposes of this article, it is irrelevant whether Prester John lived in Africa or Asia. This is a totally separate topic, and I plan on tackling it in the future.


This is what we have written on the above 1598 map titled Tartariae Sive Magni Chami Regni typus.
  • Argon. Once there was in Asia a Christian kingdom known to Prester John, and D. Thomas founded it in this place, so that it was in contact with the church of Rome, and was subjected to Rome through Prester John of Africa. Before it was defeated by the Goths, it was known as Criue Romoue.
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Criue Romoue
I doubt too many of us have heard of this Criue Romoue. Meanwhile, if it was located somewhere in the Manchurian region, it could inflict some serious damage to the traditional narrative.
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Prester John and D. Thomas
So, we have Prester John and some D. Thomas. Who could this D. Thomas be? Establishing who this D. Thomas was, could help us better understand historical time frames we are dealing with. It won't assist with dates much, but it could help out with figuring out who was alive at the time.

D. Thomas aka Judas aka Brother of Jesus.
Thomas the Apostle is commonly known as Doubting Thomas because he doubted Jesus' resurrection when first told of it; later, he confessed his faith, "My Lord and my God," on seeing Jesus' crucifixion wounds.
  • Thomas the Apostle
  • According to the legend, Thomas was a skilled carpenter and was bidden to build a palace for the king. However, the Apostle decided to teach the king a lesson by devoting the royal grant to acts of charity and thereby laying up treasure for the heavenly abode. Although little is known of the immediate growth of the church, Bar-Daisan (154–223) reports that in his time there were Christian tribes in North India which claimed to have been converted by Thomas and to have books and relics to prove it.
D. Thomas could also mean Didymus Thomas.

Searching for Prester John Thomas produced the following lines:
  • The letter notes that John is the guardian of the shrine of St. Thomas, the apostle to India.
  • An apocryphal letter, widely disseminated from 1165 on, from this ruler to the Byzantine Emperor Manuel I Comnenus made Prester John the guardian of the tomb of the Apostle Thomas in Mylapore.
  • Reportedly a descendant of one of the Three Magi, Prester John was a generous ruler and a virtuous man, presiding over a realm full of riches and strange creatures (centaurs, Amazons, giants), in which the Patriarch of St. Thomas resided. His kingdom contained such marvels as the Fountain of Youth, and it even bordered the Earthly Paradise. Among his treasures was a mirror through which every province could be seen. There were no poor people, no dissensions, no vices in his dominions. The legend of Prester John (also Presbyter John) held such sway over the European imagination from the 12th through the 17th centuries that most historians believe it developed around some kernel of fact.
KD Opinion: I think D. Thomas, mentioned on the 1598 map, was Thomas the Apostle aka Jesus's brother Jude. That is just my opinion. To be honest, for the purposes of this article, it's not really important if they were one and the same. What's important is that they (or he) lived at the same time frame with Jesus.

Time Frames
If Thomas the Apostle indeed founded Argon, he did so not that long after our narrative compliant AD 30/33 and prior to AD 72 (that's when he allegedly died). We all know that our chronology is all screwed up. IMHO, cannons were around prior to Jesus being born, for we can see cannons being used at the Battle of Alesia in AD 52.
Battle of Alesia
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We can also see the Double Headed Eagle of the the so-called Holy Roman Empire aka Roman Empire. There is a lot of baloney in the Eagle related Wiki piece, but Double Headers are for a different article. I will just say that we are dealing with years after the beginning of the Age of Discovery here, which is after AD 1400.
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Our Eagle is the symbolism at its best, and in my opinion represents our realm. Just like I mentioned above, the eagle is a topic in itself, but to make a point, I do have to do a brief rundown on it. In my opinion, one will never truly understand its meaning, unless he/she draws our famous set of St. Peter's crossed keys by hand.
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Seneschal: The word seneschal can have several different meanings, all of which reflect certain types of supervising or administering in a historic context.
In other words, these are the keys to our realm aka Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, and the Double Headed Eagle is the representation of this Theatrum Orbis Terrarum.

In the New Testament, praetorium refers to the palace of Pontius Pilate, the Roman "prefect" of Judea, which is believed to have been in one of the residential palaces built by Herod the Great for himself in Jerusalem. This is so convenient, for if the palace belonged to Pontius Pilate himself, there could have been one too many unpleasant questions.
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Without being a part of the HRE aka Roman Empire, Pontius Pilate would have never had the double headed eagle on his palace, or on his "raised seat." We are not supposed to think that it was a throne. By the way, the palace, as well, is being called court in most places. Funny, but Pilate is not even a name, and he was a prelate, not a governor or procurator. Wouldn't it be something if a certain bishop contributed to the death of a certain Savior? Of course, a procurator would sounds much safer for the narrative and its creators. There is so much more to it...

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Jesus in front of Pontius Pilate
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Painting by Jan Joest
As far as TPTB claims of the tremendous antiquity assigned to some of the double headed eagles, simply remember, that we live in the world of pre-1400's copies, rumors and hearsays. This world could be billions of years old, but our sources are very young.

This 2nd millennium BC eagle below is not that old, and can't be much older than any other double headed bird out there.

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The narrative compilers will tell us otherwise, but their tools of trade do become more and more obvious:
Jesus and Days of Noah
We have no way of knowing how many times the "Jesus Event" has taken place. May be the BC/AD one was the first one, and may be it was not. Our Bible is a questionable source, but we do not have too many JESUS EVENT related sources to start with. Anyways, there Matthew 24 goes.

The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times
  • 36: But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
  • 37: As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
  • 38: For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
  • 39: and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
  • 40: Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
  • 41: Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Essentially we are being told that our JESUS EVENT comes when it is "As it was in the days of Noah." Noah lived for 600 years before the Flood and for 350 years after the Flood, but whatever triggered the Flood happened prior to the Flood. And Genesis tells us what happened:
  • Genesis 6.5 - And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
  • Genesis 6.11 - The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
  • Genesis 6.12 - God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
  • Genesis 6.13 - And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
In the Bible there is no explanation of what "corrupt" means, but the answers can be had in various apocrypha and pseudepigrapha. And it looks like we are talking about genetic impurities here. Those would be our crossbreeds like Centaurs, Minotaurs, Cynocephali, Blemmyes, etc.
  • Jubelees 7:24: And after this they (Nephilim) sinned against the beasts and birds, and all that moved and walked on the earth, and much blood was shed on the earth, and men continually desired only what was useless and evil.
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In English it would sound something like this. During the pre-Flood days of Noah all human and animal (God created) DNA became corrupted with Nephilim DNA. It was not done through sex, but through knowledge and science.
For additional details read the following article on this blog: Mutiny in the Sky or a Short History of the World

The Jesus Event
As you remember from the above, Prester John was a ruler presiding over a realm full of riches and strange creatures like centaurs. Centaurs (and other beings) were not created by God. Their existence should have contributed to achieving "As it was in the days of Noah" when "all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth". The JESUS EVENT was triggered, and we sure did have Jesus (BC/AD) who somehow paid for the sins of men. Once again we have no giants, no chimeras and no non-human humanoids that we know of. But... at some point "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left" and "Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left".

15th Century
The Age of Discovery should be renamed, for it really was the Age of Re-Discovery. IMHO, the reason Scythia became Tartary could be related to the JESUS EVENT taking place some time prior to the 1400s. These early 1400s were the time frame when everything started happening. Shortly after, droves of ruin artists started to "make stuff up".

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Additionally, we know that text originals do not exist and first copies of the non-existent ancient originals were located after 1418. And even the 15th century itself is questionable, because 1482 and 1631 appear to mean the exact same date. For details see bullets #6, #7 and #10 here: Pompeiigate Scandal. Chronology Issues.


At the same time, it does appear that we did inherit some of the pre-JESUS EVENT knowledge. Here is where we can see it:
The way I see it, most of what we know as Myths and Legends took place before the JESUS EVENT. Later they was censored and presented to us in its current mythological state.

As far as the coming of Jesus in BC/AC goes... why was he sent here in first place. We are so used to the cliché answers similar to this one:
  • We could never have a life worthy of God on our own. So Jesus lived a life without sin on our behalf. And then he died the painful death our sins deserve.
  • By sacrificing himself for us on the cross, he took the punishment for all of our sins at once.
  • This made him the ultimate sacrifice - once and for all satisfying the demands God’s justice required.
    • KD: But... As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Do we really know what any of that is supposed to mean? At the same time it does appear that the JESUS EVENT will keep on happening every time "the days of Noah" repeat themselves.

Scythia
The Scythia related narrative is so ambiguous and convoluted, that reading it requires tons of effort. Scythia was a region of Central Eurasia in classical antiquity, occupied by the Eastern Iranian Scythians, encompassing Central Asia and parts of Eastern Europe east of the Vistula River, with the eastern edges of the region vaguely defined by the Greeks. The Ancient Greeks gave the name Scythia (or Great Scythia) to all the lands north-east of Europe and the northern coast of the Black Sea. During the Iron Age the region saw the flourishing of Scythian cultures.
  • The Scythians - the Greeks' name for this initially nomadic people - inhabited Scythia from at least the 11th century BC to the 2nd century AD. In the seventh century BC, the Scythians controlled large swaths of territory throughout Eurasia, from the Black Sea across Siberia to the borders of China. Its location and extent varied over time, but it usually extended farther to the west and significantly farther to the east than is indicated on the map. Some sources document that the Scythians were energetic but peaceful people. Not much is known about them.
  • By the 3rd century AD, the Sarmatians and last remnants of the Scythians were dominated by the Alans, and were being overwhelmed by the Goths. By the early Middle Ages, the Scythians and the Sarmatians had been largely assimilated and absorbed by early Slavs.
  • The name of the Scythians survived in the region of Scythia. Early authors continued to use the term "Scythian", applying it to many groups unrelated to the original Scythians, such as Huns, Goths, Türks, Avars, Khazars, and other unnamed nomads.
KD: We can summarize now - "Not much is known about them." But... they somehow could make these.

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Maps of Scythia
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we have any decent maps of Scythia to work with. Everything we have was produced after 1400s. This is what I was able to find, but other than empty spaces and unfamiliar names, they are not really useful. None of these maps show us any signs of powerful infrastructure.
1535 Asiae_Tabula_VII___Margiana.jpeg 1584 Asiae_Tabula_VII___Continet.jpeg 1665 - Cimmeria_quae_postea_Scythia_Europaea.jpeg 1698 Asiae Scythiam Extra Imaum ac Sericam.jpg Scythia_et_Serica-ca1740.jpg

Kings of Scythia
Apparently when the below 1179 book was written, they did not know about the Scythian Gold. Same old probables, perhapses and seemses in 1779.

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I am not sure how to explain this royal inconsistency. How come the number and identity of the Scythian Kings provided to us by the today's PTB, does not match the PTB record from 1779?
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As you can see, we do not know jack about anything. Yup, in 1779, the PTB was using the exact same tools of the trade. Additionally, it appears (if you reed between the lines) that the narrative prefers the word Thracian. Who needs Scythians?

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And even the above 1779 "Kings of Scythia" list is incomplete, for here are three coats of arms of Scythian Kings and Queens. Only Thomyris is in the above 1779 cutout.

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Scythians Ceneus and Minthia are covered here. As far as Tomyris goes, here is what the same 1779 book says.

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Somehow coats of arms matched again. How could that happen?

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Queen Tomyris Rejects Cyrus's Proposal of Marriage
This 1535-50 tapestry belongs to a series of five depicting scenes from the life of Cyrus the Great, legendary founder of the Persian empire. Herodotus tells of an attack by Cyrus on a distant land ruled by Queen Tomyris. Cyrus sacrificed a portion of his army to entrap the enemy by leaving them behind feasting on a large banquet. Tomyris’s troops, led by her son Spargapises, attacked Cyrus’s decoy troops, then stopped to consume the remains of the food and wine. Cyrus ambushed them and captured the queen’s son. Although Cyrus freed Spargapises, he immediately took his own life.
  • In revenge, Tomyris led her troops against Cyrus. After defeating his army, she searched the battlefield for Cyrus’s corpse and exacted her vengeance by dipping the body in blood – giving him his “fill of blood” as she had vowed. Grand gestures and elaborate costumes were frequently employed in tapestry design. The figures are expertly situated in a landscape, which serves as the setting for other elements of the story. In this tapestry, Queen Tomyris rejects Cyrus's marriage proposal while his troops advance in the background.
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If this is what one of the Scythian towns really looked like (in addition to the foreground structures), we are in trouble.

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Texts
There are plenty of older books talking about Scythians. Looks like they did not know much either. It does appear that they were a bit more exposed to the knowledge than we currently are, but it still was not close enough.
We also have interesting unverifiable pieces of information like this.

There are quite a few fascinating texts out there, but just like I said, it does not look like the info was authorized for disclosure even back then. I will post a few book links for those who want to dive in. Other ones you can search for yourselves.
Scythian Coins
After seeing what the PTB calls Scythian Gold, I am not quite sure whether our historians are that stupid, or simply want to disrespect their audience. Scythian masters were probably incapable of producing such junk even when they were drunk.
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Most of the golden coins are titled Thracian/Scythian or Indo-Scythian, but all of them are junk when compared to the alleged Scythian Gold craftsmanship. I do not think these coins have anything to do with the makers of the Scythian Gold.

Scythian Settlements
This excavation segment should have gone to the Hall of Fame section. Scythians, for the most part, existed between 8th century BC and 2nd century BC. According to our mudflooded reality, their so-called settlements should have been under 15-20 feet of dirt. Instead we have this:
They need to be careful not to disturb those dinosaur bones while they're at it.

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KD: Unfortunately, I was unable to get to Argon, Tenduc, Serica and other interesting names mentioned on this 1598 map. As you can see, this article got out of hands and is too long as is. To be honest, I doubt that we have any information drastically different from the offered narrative. At the same time little differences do present themselves. For example, I noticed that where older texts say "Scythian", some of our contemporary ones use the word "Thracian".

I have to admit, that with Scythia, the PTB did a pretty good job purging the house. Yet, I do believe that there is some information waiting to be found out there.
-Tartaria olim Scythia-
 

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It's a deliberate quantum entanglement of contradictions, illogical anomalies & idiosyncrasies imo. Twistory is full of enigma's purposely. Mythos, Muthos, legends, folklore, superstitions et alia. Rome & it's coterie of cohorts have been covering up lies as fast as honest humans dig them up from the git go. Ego is not our Amigo. Once the ego is triggered & engaged all rational logos is kaput. Cognitive dissonance & Dunbar's number trigger all types of non-critical thinkers. It's important to keep that in context when trying to unravel the enigmas.

These links posit some interesting propositions & streams of conscious thought.
When I traveled to Rome - Greece - Egypt - Italy - Venice - Lebanon - Israel - Ukraine & Russia et alia ,none of the twistory was consistant. Especially the Roman epoch & Bizantine epoch. Pliny the Elder's versions of events have been redacted no telling how many times to fit a manufactured consensus narrative for the nescient & ignorant sheeple. Since we know Ashke-NAZI-m speak Yiddish & it appears to be of Turkic Empire origin @ some point the dots connect & the lies can't sustain themselves anymore one would hope.

They lie & we know they lie. They know we know they lie.

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    Great post it took me a couple times to go over it...I was thinking about something after the mention of Alexios I Komnenos the former Byzantine emperor (who Fomenko I believe says plays the Biblical character of Christ in his New Chronology of History, which is a theory I don't subscribe to but I do believe the timeframe around his reign is very significant in a power shift between rival factions "East and West")

    On his Wikipedia entry (no not my favorite source either), the first two paragraphs caught my attention,,,

    Alexios was the son of the Domestic of the Schools John Komnenos and Anna Dalassene, and the nephew of Isaac I Komnenos (emperor 1057–1059). Alexios' father declined the throne on the abdication of Isaac, who was thus succeeded by four emperors of other families between 1059 and 1081. Under one of these emperors, Romanos IV Diogenes (1068–1071), Alexios served with distinction against the Seljuq Turks.[Under Michael VII Doukas Parapinakes (1071–1078) and Nikephoros III Botaneiates (1078–1081), he was also employed, along with his elder brother Isaac, against rebels in Asia Minor, Thrace, and in Epirus.

    In 1074, western mercenaries led by Roussel de Bailleul rebelled in Asia Minor, but Alexios successfully subdued them by 1076. In 1078, he was appointed commander of the field army in the West by Nikephoros III. In this capacity, Alexios defeated the rebellions of Nikephoros Bryennios the Elder (whose son or grandson later married Alexios' daughter Anna) and Nikephoros Basilakes, the first at the Battle of Kalavrye and the latter in a surprise night attack on his camp. Alexios was ordered to march against his brother-in-law Nikephoros Melissenos in Asia Minor but refused to fight his kinsman. This did not, however, lead to a demotion, as Alexios was needed to counter the expected invasion of the Normans of Southern Italy, led by Robert Guiscard.

    We know about the Turkish/Mongol/Tartar conquests of the Eastern Byzantine Empire when Constantinople becomes Istanbul. We know that the papacy had split between "Rome" and Avignon, France. History states the Komnenos and the Byzantines fought against the Seljuq Turks and the Normans (French) who had invaded Southern Italy (Rome's backyard). I have given my opinions in the past that Revelations (supposedly written by John of Patmos in Greece aka Byzantine Empire) is actually discussing the Mongol invasion of the West (primarily Byzantine). The Beast of Revelations is referred to as one that is a deceiver of all nations. What we see here are the Roman Empire of Rome and Byzantine having a conflict with the Turkic world and the French. That same French kingdom is also the one that supposedly wanted the Knights Templar erased. I don't have the answers but I think an area to explore regarding the pieces of our neverending history puzzle is to see if there was some relations between the French and primarily Islamic Tartar/Mongols against Rome and Byzantium and see how deep that can go.
     

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    Khazars worshipped Siva Lingam before Judaism
    Khazars (Turkish: Hazarlar, Tatar: Xäzärlär, Hebrew: כוזרים (Kuzarim),Arabic: خزر‎ (khazar), Russian: Хазары, Persian: خزر‎, Greek: Χάζαροι, Latin: Gazari/Cosri/Gasani) were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who created what for its duration was the most powerful polity to emerge from the breakup of the western Turkish steppe empire, known as the Khazar Khanate or Khazaria.
    Their influence in Eastern Europe extended well into the countries we now know as Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria . The Khazars were once worhippers of the Siva Lingam, before they became Jews. (We can notice worship of Siva Lingam wrapped by snake, being worshipped with water etc)
    Around 740 AD, Bulan, the King of Khazaria, adopted the religion of Judaism and the whole nation followed him.
    Their home was not the Dead Sea, but the Caspian Sea, which became known as the `Khazar Sea’.
    Khazaria long served as a buffer state between the Byzantine empire and both the nomads of the northern steppes and the Umayyad empire, after serving as Byzantium’s proxy against the Sasanian Persian empire. The alliance was dropped around 900. Byzantium began to encourage the Alans to attack Khazaria and weaken its hold on Crimea and the Caucasus, while seeking to obtain an entente with the rising Rus’ power to the north, which it aspired to convert to Christianity.
    Between 965 and 969, the Kievan Rus ruler Sviatoslav I of Kiev conquered the capital Atil and destroyed the Khazar state.

    Seal discovered in excavations at Khazar sites is the Jewish Star of David.

    Khazars were instrumental in the creation of the Magyar homeland of Hungary. Names like the Russian Cossack and the Hungarian Hussar came from ‘Khazar’, as did the German for heretic, Ketzer.
    An ancient traditional pre-Christian account of Hungarian origins says they are the descendants of the Babylonian Nimrod.
    The legend claims that Nimrod had two sons, Magor and Hunor.
    It is said that Magor was the ancestor of the Magyars and Hunor was the ancestor of the Huns, so providing the common origin of the Magyars and the Huns (Khazars).

    Over the centuries of waning power and influence, the Khazar peoples began to emigrate in many directions. The Khazar ‘Jews’ were confined to ghettos as a result of papal dictat in the mid-16th century.
    After the demise of Khazaria, the Ashkenazi did not speak the Semitic language of Hebrew at all because they were not original Hebrews.
    They developed their own tongue called Yiddish, whch is the language of the Ashkenazi, and it did not come from Israel, but from Germany and Eastern Europe.

    Khazars originally practiced a traditional Turkic form of cultic practices known as Tengriism, which focused on the sky god Tengri. (Similar to Mongolian Blue Sky God Koke Mongke Tengri. )
    Rites involved offerings to fire, water, and the moon, to remarkable creatures, and to “gods of the road” (Old Türk yol tengri, perhaps a god of fortune). Sun amulets were widespread as cultic ornaments.
    A tree cult was also maintained. Whatever was struck by lightning, man or object, was considered a sacrifice to the high god of heaven. The afterlife, to judge from excavations of aristocratic tumuli, was much a continuation of life on earth, warriors being interred with their weapons, horses, and sometimes with human sacrifices: the funeral of one tudrun in 711-12 saw 300 soldiers killed to accompany him to the otherworld. Ancestor worship was also observed (similar to Pitru Devatas in Vedic Religion).

    In 965 AD, as the Qağanate was struggling against the victorious campaign of the Rus’ prince Sviatoslav, the Islamic historian Ibn al-Athîr mentions that Khazaria, attacked by the Oğuz, sought help from Khwarezm, but their appeal was rejected because they were regarded as ‘infidels‘ (al-kuffâr:pagans). Save for the king, the Khazarians are said to have converted to Islam in order to secure an alliance, and the Turks were, with Khwarezm’s military assistance repelled.
    It was this that, according to Ibn al-Athîr, led the Jewish king of Khazar to convert to Islam.

    References : Khazars
     

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    Our history researching community is trying to find high levels of technology in Tartary. Instead we get texts talking about barbarian hordes roaming the area and living in tents.

    Is it possible both types of people existed simultaneously? What are the implications if they did?

    The only analogue I know is the Indians of the western USA, living at least to some extent nomadic while cities stood everywhere. Survivors/escapees? Or culturally/spiritually given to this way?

    I've been thinking abut this for two years. I haven't found much to resolve this.
     

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    Tartary was an extremely large area. It's entirely possible that there were diversified regions.
    Much like the USA. The people, speech/accent, and customs of Georgians, for example, is quite different from those of Californians.

    The steppe people/tribe share many similarities to the Arabs being fierce warriors, accomplished horsemen, and skilled archers. Further north, the similarities to Inuit/native American tribes is more prominent.
    The Amazon warrior women were from Tartary.
    A great deal of diversity.
    Yet there is evidence of an advanced, cultured civilization also hailing from Tartary.
    Just as Arkansans and New Yorkers are radically different from each other yet all are under the leadership of a single ruler. Tartarians, under the leadership of their Cham/Khan were diverse but united.

    At least as far as I can tell with what I've learned so far.
     
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    Great post it took me a couple times to go over it...I was thinking about something after the mention of Alexios I Komnenos the former Byzantine emperor (who Fomenko I believe says plays the Biblical character of Christ in his New Chronology of History, which is a theory I don't subscribe to but I do believe the timeframe around his reign is very significant in a power shift between rival factions "East and West")

    On his Wikipedia entry (no not my favorite source either), the first two paragraphs caught my attention,,,

    Alexios was the son of the Domestic of the Schools John Komnenos and Anna Dalassene, and the nephew of Isaac I Komnenos (emperor 1057–1059). Alexios' father declined the throne on the abdication of Isaac, who was thus succeeded by four emperors of other families between 1059 and 1081. Under one of these emperors, Romanos IV Diogenes (1068–1071), Alexios served with distinction against the Seljuq Turks.[Under Michael VII Doukas Parapinakes (1071–1078) and Nikephoros III Botaneiates (1078–1081), he was also employed, along with his elder brother Isaac, against rebels in Asia Minor, Thrace, and in Epirus.

    In 1074, western mercenaries led by Roussel de Bailleul rebelled in Asia Minor, but Alexios successfully subdued them by 1076. In 1078, he was appointed commander of the field army in the West by Nikephoros III. In this capacity, Alexios defeated the rebellions of Nikephoros Bryennios the Elder (whose son or grandson later married Alexios' daughter Anna) and Nikephoros Basilakes, the first at the Battle of Kalavrye and the latter in a surprise night attack on his camp. Alexios was ordered to march against his brother-in-law Nikephoros Melissenos in Asia Minor but refused to fight his kinsman. This did not, however, lead to a demotion, as Alexios was needed to counter the expected invasion of the Normans of Southern Italy, led by Robert Guiscard.

    We know about the Turkish/Mongol/Tartar conquests of the Eastern Byzantine Empire when Constantinople becomes Istanbul. We know that the papacy had split between "Rome" and Avignon, France. History states the Komnenos and the Byzantines fought against the Seljuq Turks and the Normans (French) who had invaded Southern Italy (Rome's backyard). I have given my opinions in the past that Revelations (supposedly written by John of Patmos in Greece aka Byzantine Empire) is actually discussing the Mongol invasion of the West (primarily Byzantine). The Beast of Revelations is referred to as one that is a deceiver of all nations. What we see here are the Roman Empire of Rome and Byzantine having a conflict with the Turkic world and the French. That same French kingdom is also the one that supposedly wanted the Knights Templar erased. I don't have the answers but I think an area to explore regarding the pieces of our neverending history puzzle is to see if there was some relations between the French and primarily Islamic Tartar/Mongols against Rome and Byzantium and see how deep that can go.
    There are huge voids in the history we are taught during the Roman reign to the Byzantine periods. I have travelled fairly extensively to Greece, Rome, Russia, Ukraine areas & the history taught is pathetic in regards to what, how, who did all these regions & periods actually happen.
    The differences of & in fables /Muthos/Mythos/Legends regarding linguistics/etymological/epistemological artistic/artisan/Metalworkers (aka Kaine & Abel - Remus & Romulus /Idus Valley/Hindu//Vedic/Zoraster/Chaldean civilizations/cultures etc. is readily apparent. It’s a literal Gordian Knot of poorly stitched pastiche of history & conflated anomalies & inconsistancies at best. ACD (Artificial Cranial Deformation) also fits into the historical re-write. ACD was a body modification & ritual beLIEf system that existed but not too much info is out there for critical thinkers consumption to process. There are evidenced in archeological digs of ACD from Crimea/Caspian Sea regions w/ same genomic markers that have been traced. Appears to have been migrations from these areas to Europe & South America (i.e. Paracas, Peru where there was a culture of Paracas that were exclusively ACD. I suspect the charlatan’$ make more on the Ancient Aliens theory than the truth of what ACD actually is. YMMV
     
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