Who nuked San Francisco in 1906?

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On the Japanese nukes
With the Meiji Restoration, Japan opened its doors once again to foreign trade and diplomatic relations. Nagasaki became a free port in 1859 and modernization began in earnest in 1868. Nagasaki was officially proclaimed a city on April 1, 1889. With Christianity legalized and the Kakure Kirishitan coming out of hiding, Nagasaki regained its earlier role as a center for Roman Catholicism in Japan.
During World War I, Hiroshima became a focal point of military activity, as the Japanese government entered the war on the Allied side. About 500 German prisoners of war were held in Ninoshima Island in Hiroshima Bay. The growth of Hiroshima as a city continued after the First World War, as the city now attracted the attention of the Catholic Church, and on May 4, 1923, an Apostolic Vicar was appointed for that city
Bolding is mine. Just so happens the 2 nukes dropped happened by pure coincidence to strike the 2 most Catholic citys in ALL of japan.
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Nagasaki looking very european

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Typical Japanese building in Hiroshima
 

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Hiroshima 1945



Hiroshima today.
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Birth defects continue to be an issue, although oddly, birth defects are higher in Iraq than in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki suggesting that inbreeding is more damaging to DNA than ionizing radiation.
I wouldn't bet too much on DNA:

I also don't know about San Francisco being shaken. I don't believe in Earthquakes or Nukes. Must have been a controlled demolition. Or the time stamps are not correct.
 
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Interesting video. Frankly, the guy sounds either stoned or mentally challenged to me. He may be onto something but I don't know what it would be. We have quite a few earthquakes in Oklahoma these days and they've been around throughout recorded history (before the invention of gunpowder even) so I can't quite get on board with denying earthquakes. Thanks for sharing the video, though. Always good to see other points of view.
 

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here we have the
"Captain of Artillery Corps. in charge of Dynamite Party" supposedly admitting in a letter to using dynamite to blow up buildings in the 1906 SF Fired to create fire breaks.

Portions of this document were published in Maj.-Gen. Greely's final report on the Army's role in the San Francisco disaster. Unfortunately, several key paragraphs were removed, most dealing with criticism of City officials, and the move by the Army to run all dynamiting operations to stop the Great Fire. Coleman's report was of great interest, and was one of the few documents requested of the War Department by UC historian H. Morse Stephens. This is the first publication of Capt. Le Vert Coleman's complete report found at the National Archives in 1987.
Presidio, San Francisco, Cal.
May 2nd 1906
The Adjutant
Presidio of San Francisco, Cal.
Sir: Pursuant to orders of the Commanding Officer, I have the honor to submit the following brief report concerning work performed under my direction in stopping the San Francisco fire by the use of dynamite and other high explosives, and the subsequent work of destroying dangerous walls in clearing the thoroughfares of the city, immediately after the fire.
The work of stopping the fire by dynamiting buildings was performed from about 9:00 a.m., April 18th to about 3:00 p.m., April 21st 1906. The destruction of dangerous standing walls was performed from 7:00 a.m., Monday the 23d of April to 1:00 p.m. Monday the 30th of April.
About 6:30 a.m. the morning of the earthquake April 18, 1906, the Fire Department of the City of San Francisco sent a messenger to the Presidio requesting that all available explosives with a detail to handle them be sent to check the fire as the earthquake had broken the water mains and the fire department was practically helpless.
I reported with the messenger to the Commanding Officer Colonel Charles Morris, A.C., who ordered me as Ordnance Officer to provide the necessary explosives. I then sent about forty-eight barrels of powder in field battery caissons under the charge of 1st Lieutenant Raymond W. Briggs, A.C., to the Mayor. As the caissons were not suited to carrying large amounts of explosives I procured two large wagons, and, having loaded them with the remaining powder and with about 300 pounds of dynamite procured from the civilian employes of the Engineering Department - the only dynamite procurable at that time - I reported to the Commanding Officer Colonel Charles Morris, A.C., on O'Farrell Street. By his orders I immediately proceeded to the Hall of Justice and reported to the Mayor.
Here I found Lieutenant Briggs with the powder I had sent, and also a large supply of dynamite provided by Mr. Birmingham [John Bermingham, Superintendent] of the California Powder Works. General Funston, and the Mayor, who were both present at the time, placed me in charge of the work of handling all the explosives.
At this time Lieutenant Briggs had begun dynamiting buildings on Montgomery Street under orders from the Mayor, and a Captain of the Fire Department was also dynamiting buildings on Montgomery Street. Mr. Birmingham was ordered by the Mayor to report to me - he was a civilian expert on explosives - unfortunately he was so far under the influence of liquor as to be of no service, and, lest he should in that condition cause serious accident, I sent him away.
After supplying a few boxes of dynamite to the Captain of the Fire Department on Montgomery Street, I found no one left to do the work I had assigned except Lieutenant Briggs and a few enlisted men and civilians who had volunteered to help us.
During the first day of the fire, and until the evening of the second day, the city authorities withheld their permission to blow up buildings except those in immediate contact with those already ablaze. Consequently, although we were able to check the fire at certain points, it outflanked my party time and again, and all our work had to be begun over.
From this time until about 3:00 p.m. on the 21st of April, Lieutenant Briggs and myself were almost constantly employed in fighting the fire with explosives.
It was soon found that dynamite produced the best results and, except [for] a little gun cotton supplied from Mare Island, no other explosive was used.
On Thursday night the 19th of April, when the fire reached Van Ness Avenue, I received authority from Colonel Morris to use my judgement in the demolition of buildings in the burning district. After this we blew up buildings far enough ahead of the fire to make a clearing along Broadway, Franklin, Gough Street, etc., which the fire was unable to bridge, and in this manner the fire was stopped after it had crossed the broad Avenue of Van Ness and the fire department seemed powerless.
While in this work whole blocks were blown up [and,] not a single demolition was made without a careful but rapid consideration of the conditions of the wind, fire and water supply as they existed at the time, Lieutenant Briggs and myself rapidly conferring before each demolition and obtaining our authority for specific buildings from the District Commander Colonel Charles Morris, A.C.
In this manner buildings were blown up far enough ahead of the fire to avoid feeding the fire with flying embers and to effectually stop the fire for lack of fuel, by cutting a broad open belt ahead of the fire. Had not this course been pursued in accordance with the authority from the District Commander, Colonel Morris, the fire would unquestionably have destroyed the present unburnt portion of the city, in the same manner and for the same reasons that it devoured the burnt districts, after crossing the broad thoroughfares of Market Street, Van Ness, and others, where authority was not granted to clear a bare space sufficiently broad to arrest the course of the flames.
My party comprised two officers: Lieutenant Raymond W. Briggs, A.C., and myself, and three enlisted men who volunteered for the work, these were: Master Electrician John L. Davis, A.C., Electrician Sergeant Winfield S. Williams, A.C. and Corporal John E. McSweeney, 66th Company Coast Artillery.
Naval gunner Hull [a pencilled question mark appears after the name "Hull" in the typescript]; another naval gunner name unknown, and an Ensign, name unknown joined us for a little while at Franklin Street. Hull assisted us for a little while but soon left, the others did not engage with us in the work inside the buildings. George F. Ryan of 2221 California Street, an employee in the Quartermaster's Department at the Presidio, did good work during Thursday night on Franklin Street and Electrician Sergeant Jenkins, A.C., assisted in the work on Friday the 20th and throughout the remainder of the work.
Mr. Carson, an employee in the civilian pay list of the Engineer Department, assisted for a while during the fire on the 18th and 19th. These men were the only ones in the service or employment of the Government that were connected in any way with the destruction of buildings by high explosives to stop the fire.
The party being very small for the work required, officers and men alike performed throughout, the work of breaking into basements, laying the charges, running the electric conductors, fuzing the charges, firing them, handling the dynamite, and all other accessory work. In all the work every precaution was taken to warn citizens out of the houses and adjacent streets, and much difficulty was experienced in clearing these buildings of panic-stricken citizens. Fortunately, however, none of the citizens were injured.
As this work was done under most exceptional circumstances as a voluntary service in saving lives and property, and as, among other trying conditions, the charges often had to be laid in buildings already on fire; the dynamite had to be carried by hand through showers of sparks; the wires, constantly shortened by repeated explosions, could be replaced only by climbing poles in the burning district and cutting down street wires; as often, in order to stop the fire in time, buildings had to be blown up from such a short distance, and with such short lead wires that the party was struck by falling debris, it is respectfully recommended that Master Electrician John L. Davis, A.C., Electrician Sergeant Winfield S. Williams, A.C. and Corporal John E. McSweeney, 66th Company Coast Artillery, who were with us throughout, be reported to the War Department as having repeatedly throughout the period from 9:00 a.m. April 18, 1906 to about 3:00 p.m. April 21st 1906, performed in the face of the fire acts of "special gallantry and signally efficient performance of duty" by constantly and cheerfully risking their lives by fire, explosion, and flying debris, in performing the work of dynamiting buildings whereby the fire was stopped.
I have the honor to call the especial attention of the War Department to the zeal, initiative, special gallantry, and signally intelligent and efficient cooperation of 1st Lieutenant Raymond W. Briggs, A.C., without whose assistance the work could not have been done in time to accomplish the checking of the fire, and I therefore recommend him especially for the commendation of the War Department.
The names of the three enlisted men given above are selected for their conspicuous and invaluable services and while the other men mentioned rendered good services, the initiative special gallantry and efficiency of Davis, Williams and McSweeney make them deserving of the above especial mention.
On Monday the 23rd of April I took charge of the same party under orders from the Post Commander, Colonel Morris, A.C., and from the Division Commander General Funston, and from that time until 1:00 p.m. the 30th of April we were engaged in destroying by dynamite the dangerous walls left standing in the thoroughfares of the city. In this as in the work done during the fire, these men displayed the finest qualities in the face of new but equally difficult obstacles. The walls, some of them seven stories high, being in a tottering condition, the civilian riggers would not tackle them. Fresh winds, and on one occasion an earthquake shock threw bricks and debris about the party, and one five story wall fell while the charge was being placed and before it could be fired.
Fortunately, aside from minor injuries, no one was injured except Electrician Sergeant Williams. While firing a charge on Van Ness Avenue with Lieutenant Briggs and myself, the wire being too short, the debris enveloped the party, knocking down Sergeant Williams and breaking his ribs. He was up immediately and, in spite of directions to the contrary, continued his work during the fire and for three days later, when compelled to seek medical aid.
Respectfully submitted,
(Signed.) Le Vert Coleman
Captain Artillery Corps.,
In charge of Dynamiting Party
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Yup, with 6 people and 300 pounds of dynamite they reduced the entire city to nothing but rubble. Interesting description though. Another city they used dynamite to stop fires at. Sounds pretty effective, and essentially eliminates any need for multi person fire departments with their expensive equipment. Apparently all you need to put out a city fire is a small group of volunteers and 300 pounds of dynamite :)

 

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Yup, with 6 people and 300 pounds of dynamite they reduced the entire city to nothing but rubble. Interesting description though. Another city they used dynamite to stop fires at. Sounds pretty effective, and essentially eliminates any need for multi person fire departments with their expensive equipment. Apparently all you need to put out a city fire is a small group of volunteers and 300 pounds of dynamite :)

Yep. Yet another thing to add to my list of Absolutely Astonishing Things About The World in Which We Live. And in my mind, it is doubtful dynamite is what was used. Just another cover story by some military commander probably richly rewarded for his role in taking the fall under the guise of the "we had no idea the whole city would be destroyed" type incompetency.

Does dynamite explain the cuts we see in the buildings at many of these fires? Did they start these fires with the intention of blowing up the buildings with dynamite and then say they had to do it for containment purposes or to take down structurally unsound burnt remains? Was the detailed report from the Artillery Corps. Captain taking responsibility for blowing shit up put out there because people were starting to ask questions?

Wow, check out this letter from someone at Univ. of CA to then Sec. of War Wm. Taft found on same site (italics and underlining mine):

UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT

The Hon. Wm. H. Taft
Sec. of War.
July 24, 1906
Dear Secretary Taft:
The enclosed letter implies a request which I deem reasonable and worthy. Professor Stephens is a first-rate historical scholar and withal a man of rare tact and good judgement. He is making up the story of the disaster and its relief as a sample of the proper type of historical investigation. You can trust absolutely to his discretion and wisdom.
Faithfully yours,
(signed) Benj. I. Wheeler

More truth in plain site?
 
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I think this photo may be doctored. However, even if I am right I would never be able to prove it conclusively, as the doctoring would have been before digital editing techniques which would be quite easy to spot through various online programs.

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The blue line is where I believe the two different pictures were spliced together. This is an extremely common photo editing/filmmaking technique going back since the inception of a recorded image. There is a pretty severe distinction between the foreground and background - - level of detail, shadows, etc.

The red circle is an anomaly I don't really understand. Is this supposed to be very white smoke? If so, it is out of place compared to the rest of the smoke. Is it fire? If so, what exactly is ablaze, the side of the building?

Also, the smoke in the foreground looks fake or added in.
 
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