Boyars and the Clothes of Giants

I obviously have no means of proving that the clothing fashion you see below had anything to do with the race of giants. At the same time, long sleeves and the general baggy appearance could add to the existing circumstantial evidence collection.


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A boyar or bolyar was a member of the highest rank of the feudal Bulgarian, Russian, Wallachian, Moldavian, and later Romanian, Lithuanian and Baltic German nobility, second only to the ruling princes from the 10th century to the 17th century.
Them sleeves tied behind this boyar's back look utterly ridiculous. Why would anyone design something like this?
  • At the very least, this is a waste of cloth of fabric.
While looking for the images of boyars, ran into this charismatic couple.

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KD: I don't know. Cutting holes in sleeves in order to be able to use your hands... sounds and looks pretty weird. That is in my opinion.
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Don't know about the sleeves behind the back, but I'm pretty sure the long left sleeve served the purpose of keeping the right hand/arm warm. I cannot fnd a picture of oriental people with arms folded though
 
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    What struck me are the shoes. They look more like women's shoes and in fact the feet within them out of proportion to the rest of the body.
    Maybe just me but in a couple of drawings the 'blokes' look a bit effeminate. Could we be looking at cross dressing women or men showing their homosexuality off so too speak?
    The woman in the bottom drawing is depicted looking down at the feet of the man on the right. And the 'holy man?' next to her looks to me to be a woman.

    Does the term 'boys' come from the 'boyars'?
    The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing comes to mind.
     

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    I obviously have no means of proving that the clothing fashion you see below had anything to do with the race of giants. At the same time, long sleeves and the general baggy appearance could add to the existing circumstantial evidence collection.


    A boyar or bolyar was a member of the highest rank of the feudal Bulgarian, Russian, Wallachian, Moldavian, and later Romanian, Lithuanian and Baltic German nobility, second only to the ruling princes from the 10th century to the 17th century.
    Them sleeves tied behind this boyar's back look utterly ridiculous. Why would anyone design something like this?
    • At the very least, this is a waste of cloth of fabric.
    While looking for the images of boyars, ran into this charismatic couple.



    KD: I don't know. Cutting holes in sleeves in order to be able to use your hands... sounds and looks pretty weird. That is in my opinion.
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    I def think you are onto something! I’m including this first pic because it looks like these full grown men are wearing Giant baby sized baptismal gowns 😂

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    Sometimes it looks like the simplest answer is the best, and they are wearing leftover giants clothes!
     

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    sometimes it looks like the simplest answer is the best, and they are wearing leftover giants clothes!
    Were that the case the coats/dresses/robes whatever with the long sleeves are surely too short for giants legs and they fit the body pretty well. I remember pulling on a couple of my dads coats as a kid and they did not fit at all. A giants coat on a human would be similarly ill fitting. Find some giant sized knife fork and spoon set or plates and cup/glasses or hairbrushes etc then the game changes but these coats and these images though interesting are, at least for me, not evidence of giant sized people.
     

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    Chinese Mandarins were decked out like this, circa 1900:

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    It became stylized (a real "Chinese spirit"/Western technology thing) by the 1920s:

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    I'm pretty sure this is the first Nationalist President (post-Qing/Manchu Dynasty Emperor), Yuan Shi-kai-- as a young man:

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    If these were intended for giants I'd think the clothes would not fit these smaller people in the shoulders.

    We have some pretty nonsensical fashions in current times also.

    Perhaps the extra fabric was akin to a status symbol as in only rich people could afford to be wasteful of fabric. Similar to certain women in India who grew their fingernails 8-10 inches long. Since you can't do a thing for yourself with fingernails that long, it showed the world that you had servants to do everything for you.

    Neckties were originally bibs that Kings wore like infants when they ate. Doesn't seem as if something like that would catch on with the peasant populace but it did.

    I also remember reading about some royal tailor who invented the jacket for his sovereign, and the king was both befuddled and displeased with the new garment saying, "this is neither long enough to serve as a wrap when we sleep outdoors on the hunts and is too short for a shirt. What is it and what am I supposed to do with it?" And yet jackets also became a staple clothing item in every man's wardrobe.

    Trying to decipher the past using the values of the present is an easy trap to fall into. There may have been a reason our forbears did (and wore) the things they did that wouldn't make sense to us even if it were truthfully explained.

    When I was a teenager my sisters and I would sunbathe in the yard which confused and distressed my grandmother. In her day, she said, proper ladies did not have tans since it showed that you worked out in the fields. A lack of tanning showed you were well kept and didn't have to work. Nowadays, evidence of a tan means the exact opposite, that you have leisure time to lounge around rather than working (since most work women do is done indoors anyway).

    We don't know what the climate was like back then or what were their customs or values. Who knows what they were thinking having ridiculously long sleeves (or 2 sets of them) but it seems to me that if these pictures were evidence of giants shirts then the shoulders would hang down to their elbows. If they were altered to fit in the shoulders, why not also alter the sleeves to fit?
     
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    in the region where they lived was a culture called the gumelnita. they made a figurine with one long arm. he is also seen sitting on a turtle oddly. it would not have been strange for these figurines to be found throughout history as they are found in obvious places like tells.
    and on the Sinaia tablets there is a recurring figure with a very long left sleeve who is embracing a bird with the sleeve and a cow lays at their feet.
     

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    @Whitewave, those were my thoughts too, but then we have stuff like this...

    This corpse appears to be a woman, as they have much narrower shoulders than a man and smaller feet. The shoulders and all body parts being smaller due to significant dehidrated state of the subject. Even if not a woman The dehidration alone will cause a much larger body appear much smaller.

    Is it possable that they are giant clothes and have been tailored to fit the men wearing them, with the sleeve left long as some status simbol that comes with wearing giants clothing.
     

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    Everything indicates that the Bojardos could have been part of the warrior class of the russ horde, that is, the kosacos, while their lineages would be in charge of their lands, the garments of giants could well have been war trophies. Note the analogy with the "Roman" generals and we find several points directly related to Fomenko's new chronology.
    It seems that it started being that, the use of the giants' clothes for them to be of that elite rank and the final ended up becoming part of an inherited tradition.
     

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    That word Boyar sucked me in here- a few years ago I found a Gregorian chant called Lo Boier, same pronounciation as Boyar in english.
    This was odd because the word translates basically to 'the ploughman' (hardly a nobleman) from Romanian to english, something I remembered when I first heard the chant and read the lyrics in the first 20 seconds of the video here.


    But then a funny thing happens when one employs the old switcheroo on google translate- Boyar from english back to Romanian and then back again. Long story short it becomes 'boierul' and then 'Lord' or master.
    In French they use Bouvier, which means cow/ox-herder.
    Latin is a bit different but not by much.
    Old English is Boyer, and suggests that apart from a herdsman which is one of the correct translations, the other is 'bow-maker', which, as a herdsman (or nobleman) I personally would want to use to protect my flock/cattle/people from predators etc. in the 1300's.
    Either way it's supposed to be a lowly position, until... in the Romanian, boyer becomes Lord through a few exchanges.
    In another religious context, a herdsman would also be a pastor (priest);

    The actual word pastor is derived from a Latin word meaning shepherd.

    Also: Bishops of various denominations often bear a formal crosier in the form of a stylised shepherd's crook as a symbol of their pastoral/shepherding functions.

    So this line of thought led me to the Cathars- the original idea in that Boier chant- whose outfits do indeed seem similar to those in the post.
    Here are a couple I lifted from a Cathar site (Cathar Beliefs, doctrines, theology and practices).
    The first image shows the most serious sleeve action;


    As for why the outfits are so sloppy and untailored, not sure. It could have to do with significant temperature changes around that time. Religious observance. Lack of available/fine tailors, style-hangover, hiding weapons in sleeves, who knows. I'm ok with the giant theory. If it were me and something significant happened around that date and all that was available were giants clothes I'd put warmth first.
    It's interesting to note the basic similarity in the 2nd image to a wintery version of ye olde toga.

    (p.s. Good to see you all again. :) )
     
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    That word Boyar sucked me in here- a few years ago I found a Gregorian chant called Lo Boier, same pronounciation as Boyar in english.
    This was odd because the word translates basically to 'the ploughman' (hardly a nobleman) from Romanian to english, something I remembered when I first heard the chant and read the lyrics in the first 20 seconds of the video here.


    But then a funny thing happens when one employs the old switcheroo on google translate- Boyar from english back to Romanian and then back again. Long story short it becomes 'boierul' and then 'Lord' or master.
    In French they use Bouvier, which means cow/ox-herder.
    Latin is a bit different but not by much.
    Old English is Boyer, and suggests that apart from a herdsman which is one of the correct translations, the other is 'bow-maker', which, as a herdsman (or nobleman) I personally would want to use to protect my flock/cattle/people from predators etc. in the 1300's.
    Either way it's supposed to be a lowly position, until... in the Romanian, boyer becomes Lord through a few exchanges.
    In another religious context, a herdsman would also be a pastor (priest);

    The actual word pastor is derived from a Latin word meaning shepherd.

    Also: Bishops of various denominations often bear a formal crosier in the form of a stylised shepherd's crook as a symbol of their pastoral/shepherding functions.

    So this line of thought led me to the Cathars- the original idea in that Boier chant- whose outfits do indeed seem similar to those in the post.
    Here are a couple I lifted from a Cathar site (Cathar Beliefs, doctrines, theology and practices).
    The first image shows the most serious sleeve action;


    As for why the outfits are so sloppy and untailored, not sure. It could have to do with significant temperature changes around that time. Religious observance. Lack of available/fine tailors, style-hangover, hiding weapons in sleeves, who knows. I'm ok with the giant theory. If it were me and something significant happened around that date and all that was available were giants clothes I'd put warmth first.
    It's interesting to note the basic similarity in the 2nd image to a wintery version of ye olde toga.

    (p.s. Good to see you all again. :) )
    For some reason the word Boyard came up for me, after a bit of digging(fort boyard) was named Banjaert(dutch) then french Boyard.

    Banjaert translates to banker.

    Very strange attire
    @Whitewave, those were my thoughts too, but then we have stuff like this...

    This link probably has little to do with this thread but a little to do with growth(no pun intended), this guy thinks that the growth of trees are proportional to the amount of voltage/charge available in the either, I wonder if this could be the same for all organic life forms, ie the big ones were here before or more charge in differing locations, just a thought.
     

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    Thank you for this wonderful thread and Blog KD.

    Giant clothes being worn by humans would make sense in my mind, if I placed myself in the right scenario. Why would people want to wear oversized clothing to begin with?

    Some thoughts:

    1. If I was arriving someplace foreign with a colder climate, and I had never seen a winter, or even cooler weather, it might demand using what was there. What was there? Could there have been wardrobes full of big warm clothes that had to be altered to fit? Where did the people go that used those clothes?

    Below: This photo looks like what is called a Vrilya, which according to Edward Bulwer-Lytton, are a subterranean race of giants that were discovered possibly living in an undisclosed region of the United States. His book, The Coming Race describes beings that look like the one in this box. The hand gestures of this being below, are mimicked by the man, but why? I have noticed hand gestures where the men are sliding their hand into their jackets similar to the corpse. Could this be a sign that the arriving humans mimicked a dead giants hand placement?
    Funny how a thread about Boyars and Giant Clothing leads me in so many directions. Humanity is good at adapting, and these paintings and photos represent the possible assimilation with giants clothing to suit our needs.
     

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    PETER I Alekseevich Romanov known as the Great (1672-1725). Tsar of Russia.

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    It is a pity that the engraving does not show his best friends and colleagues: Aleksashka Menshikov, Lefort and Gordon. All of them were over 2 meters tall.

    Official Historians: This is Peter the First and the Dwarf...
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    • For a dwarf, he has too proportional figure and legs, not like a dwarf.
    In Roncesvalles, Navarra, Spain, I saw the huge sarcophagus of King Sancho VII the Strong. The anthropometric study from the measurements of the femur allowed to venture that he could have measured between 2.22 and 2.31 meters. It is that the European kings were giants.

    In different parts of Spain, on the festivities of each town, the dance of the giants are an essential part of the celebrations.

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