The State of Georgia #1: Atlanta or Decatur, that is the question.

For these past few days I've been writing an article about certain inconsistencies pertaining to the state of Georgia. The piece got so big, I had to break it into individual segments.
  • It does appear that we have some circumstantial evidence suggesting that many pre-existing cities and towns were incorporated into our contemporary narrative.
Today, let's talk about the city of Atlanta.

1. The State of Georgia
Before we can get to the actual city of Atlanta, we have to look at a few things pertaining to the state it is located in. There are a few interesting moments there, and those should not be ignored. Here is a short synopsis of how the state of Georgia came to be. The PTB tell us that before settlement by Europeans, Georgia was inhabited by Native American tribes for thousands of years.
  • A modest Spanish presence was established in the late 16th century, mostly centered on Catholic mission work.
  • The Spanish were largely gone by the early 18th century, though they remained in nearby Florida, and their presence ultimately left little impact on what would become Georgia.
  • Most Spanish place names in Georgia date from the 19th century, not from the age of colonization.
English settlers arrived in the 1730s, led by James Oglethorpe. So, what cities or towns could become abandoned by 1878. Methinks only those that were established between 1730s and 1861 (the Civil War started). That would be a time span of about 130 years, at the most.
James Oglethorpe
James Edward Oglethorpe was a British soldier, Member of Parliament, and philanthropist, as well as the founder of the colony of Georgia. As a social reformer, he hoped to resettle Britain's worthy poor in the New World, initially focusing on those in debtors' prisons.
  • Born to a prominent British family, Othethorpe left college in England and a British Army commission to travel to France, where he attended a military academy before fighting under Prince Eugene of Savoy in the Austro-Turkish War.
  • His early years were relatively undistinguished until 1729, when Oglethorpe was made chair of the Gaols Committee that investigated British debtors' prisons.
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  • In June 1732, Oglethorpe, Perceval, Martyn, and a group of other prominent Britons petitioned for and were eventually granted a royal charter to establish the colony of Georgia between the Savannah River and the Altamaha River.
  • After being granted a charter, Oglethorpe sailed to Georgia in November 1732.
  • In November 1732 a total of 114 men, women, and children gathered at Gravesend on the River Thames to set sail for the new colony of Georgia.
    • Oglethorpe understood that Georgia's charter prohibited him from holding office, owning land, or receiving a salary in the new colony, yet he gave up the comforts of home to accompany the first boatload of Georgia settlers.
    • After several delays they boarded the Anne for a two-month journey across the Atlantic.
  • Following a brief visit in Charleston, the colonists proceeded to Port Royal, South Carolina's southernmost outpost.
    • While they rested, Oglethorpe and a band of Carolina Rangers went ahead to look for a place to settle.
    • Some seventeen miles inland from the mouth of the Savannah River, they found Yamacraw Bluff overlooking the south bank of the river.
    • Oglethorpe immediately struck up a friendship with the Yamacraw chief, Tomochichi, thus beginning a long and close relationship between the two.
  • On February 12, 1733, Oglethorpe returned to Yamacraw Bluff with the Georgia colonists.
  • James Oglethorpe
  • James Oglethorpe (1696-1785)
KD: The colony was established in 1733, and became a state in 1788.
  • Isn't it amazing that the father of the future state of Georgia was a knight in shining armor?
Oglethorpe Plan
This is the point, where the true researcher's BS meter should be going off the charts. The Oglethorpe plan is an urban planning idea that was most famously used when Savannah was founded in the 18th century.
  • The plan uses a distinctive street network with repeating squares of residential blocks, commercial blocks, and small green parks to create integrated, walkable neighborhoods.
  • The multifaceted plan sought to achieve several goals through interrelated policy and design elements, including the spacing of towns, the layout of towns and eventually their surrounding counties, equitable allocation of land, and limits to growth to preserve a sustainable agrarian economy.
This article is not about the city of Savannah, but its plan is the epiphany of what we are dealing with.

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As you can see, there is a very high probability that the PTB introduced this "Oglethorpe Plan" to explain the pre-existing advanced urban planning. The one that "colonists" had nothing to do with.
  • Looks like in this particular case, Oglethorpe could not help himself, and developed a full blown Star City.
Let's see how dumb we collectively are, for it does take a special kind of stupid to believe that Indians would just pack up and leave, so that Oglethorpe could rearrange their “village” into the above “Oglethorpe plan”.
  • On February 12, 1733, Oglethorpe led 114 settlers to their arrival at Yamacraw Bluff, in what is now the city of Savannah, and established a camp with the help of a local elderly Creek chief, Tomochichi.
  • A Yamacraw Indian village had occupied the site, but Oglethorpe arranged for the Indians to move.
    • Today, Georgia has 100 miles of coastline. Yet, Oglethorpe had to displace Indians in one specific spot.
    • Why?
KD: But... this article is about the city of Atlanta!

Georgia Census Data
We do appear to have some population count related shenanigans. These, probably, exist for a reason. The United States Census of 1790 was the first census of the whole United States. It recorded the population of the United States as of Census Day, August 2, 1790.
  • Although the Census was proved statistically factual, based on data collected, the records for several states (including Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, and Virginia) were lost sometime between 1790 and 1830.
  • Almost one third of the original census data have been lost or destroyed since their original documentation.
    • These include some 1790 data from: Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, and Vermont.
    • However, the validity and existence of most of these data can be confirmed in many secondary sources pertaining to the first census.
You see what they did there? This effectively covers the entire population of the United States in 1790. In other words, we have no idea how many people lived in the United States at the time.

Naturally, here is what the PTB do want us to know for the state of Georgia in 1790:
  • Total Population: 82,548 people
    • Free White Males: 27,147
    • Free White Females: 25,739
    • All Other Free Persons: 398
    • Enslaved Persons: 29,264
Below is the year by year break down of the population totals for the Colony and State of Georgia. 1740-1780 stats provided by the relevant wiki page are slightly different, but their visual resemblance makes me think that the PTB is still adjusting things.
One additional, and in my opinion relevant piece of information is this:
  • 1860: In terms of geographical distribution, nearly 60 percent of the populace lived in the Black Belt region, a broad swath running diagonally through the state's center from South Carolina toward the southwest along the Alabama and Florida line.
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KD: I think these numbers are important when we are dealing with the achievements of the "early settlers". We do need to remember that the above numbers include women, children, and elderly, as well as free and enslaved individuals. I am not sure whether indigenous people were included in these stats.

Georgia Counties
I'll be honest, I did not count how many counties we have in the below 1859 map. I visually compared to our contemporary county map of Georgia, and they appear to look the same. Here is my question:
  • What the hell did they need 159 counties for back then? Did they simply inherit the break down?
1859 Georgia Map
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I wanted to see what the map progression of the establishment of Georgia counties looked like. Eventually, I stumbled into the below 1824 map.
1824: Georgia and Alabama
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We have this "no man's land" between the states of Georgia and Alabama. The land was allegedly occupied by the Muscogee Indians. As the narrative goes, the Indian's were relocated:
As I was continuing with my map related research, I came across the below 1827 Map of Georgia.
1827 Georgia Map
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At the time, I did not think much of it, but these "C.H." were sticking out like red flags. The explanation is in the above 1824 map, as well as further down the article.

2. The City of Atlanta
As with anything else, to notice the BS, we have to know what the narrative says. The history of the founding of Atlanta appears to be simple and straight forward. But as we often see, there are these miniscule tactical maneuvers meant to convolute our clear understanding of things. We have this simple question:
  • When was the city of Atlanta founded?
And we get this for an answer. The history of Atlanta dates back to 1836, when Georgia decided to build a railroad to the U.S. Midwest and a location was chosen to be the line's terminus.
  • The stake marking the founding of "Terminus" was driven into the ground in 1837.
  • In 1839, homes and a store were built there and the settlement grew.
  • By 1842, the town had six buildings and 30 residents and was renamed Marthasville to honor Governor Wilson Lumpkin's daughter Martha.
  • Between 1845 and 1854, rail lines arrived from four different directions, and the rapidly growing town quickly became the rail hub for the entire Southern United States.
  • Later, J. Edgar Thomson, Chief Engineer of the Georgia Railroad, suggested the town be renamed Atlanta.
  • The residents approved, and the town was incorporated as Atlanta on December 29, 1847.
  • In 1864, Union William Sherman's troops set on fire and destroyed the city's assets and buildings, save churches and hospitals.
  • Population of Atlanta in 1842: 30 people - source
  • Population of Atlanta in 1850: 2,572 people - source
  • Population of Atlanta in 1860: 9,554 people - source
  • Population of Atlanta in 1870: 21,789 people - source
Question: So... when was the city of Atlanta founded, for here is your city name progression.
  • 1837 - Terminus
  • 1843 - Marthasville
  • 1847 - Atlanta
KD: In 1837, a stake was driven into the ground. In 1839, first homes and a store were built. By 1842, the town had 6 buildings and 30 residents.
Atlanta in 1864
- a brand new city -
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I do not know how much credibility can be given to the below images of 1864 Atlanta. Read on, and judge for yourselves:
  • Wilbur Kurtz (1882-1967) was an avid student of local history.
  • He painted scenes of early Atlanta that remain notable for the historical research that went into their creation.
    • Wilbur Kurtz's depiction of 1864 Atlanta guided set design for filming "Gone With the Wind" in 1939.
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I think the image above is a black and white photo of the painting. Here is a view of a photographic reproduction of an original oil painting by Wilbur Kurtz, Sr. of a bird's eye view of Atlanta, Georgia in 1864.
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KD: Anyone else has doubts about the age of the presented city of (allegedly) Atlanta?

The Seal of Atlanta
The City Seal of Atlanta depicts the mythological bird, the Phoenix, who is cyclically reborn from ashes. This symbolizes the rebuilding of the city after it was burned and destroyed by war. The date depicted, 1847, is the date Atlanta was first incorporated. The date 1865 signifies the end of the Civil War and the beginning of the new Atlanta.
  • Resurgens is Latin for "rising again."
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KD: Isn't it interesting that it was the date of the name change and incorporation, that was picked for the seal? In 1847, the town had already existed for 10 years. Then we have this phoenix bird. We do not think about certain things, but whether we do or not, these things exist.
  • In ancient Greek folklore, a phoenix is a long-lived bird that cyclically regenerates or is otherwise born again.
  • Associated with the sun, a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor.
  • Some legends say it dies in a show of flames and combustion, others that it simply dies and decomposes before being born again.
And while the debate is ongoing, I still find it interesting that the ancient Greek theme was picked over the Christian one.

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I digress. The main issue to address here pertains to the event, after which the resurrection was required. We know that the town was not established in 1847, it (allegedly) happened in 1837.
  • What date was the date of resurrection, 1847 or 1865?
    • And if indeed it was 1847, what were they resurrecting from?
Counties: Fulton and DeKalb
Before there were two, there was one. To a certain degree, doing some research pertaining to the area represented by these two counties led me down a major rabbit hole.
  • The area of DeKalb County was acquired by the state of Georgia as a result of the 1821 Treaty of Indian Springs with a faction of the Muscogee (Creek).
  • DeKalb County, formed in 1822 from Henry, Gwinnett and Fayette counties, took its name from Baron Johann de Kalb (1721-1780), a Bavarian-born former officer in the French Army, who fought for the Continental Army in the American Revolutionary War.
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  • Fulton County was created in 1853 from the western half of DeKalb County. It was named in honor of Hamilton Fulton, a railroad official who acted as surveyor for the Western and Atlantic Railroad and also as chief engineer of the state.
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Atlanta vs. Decatur
You can obviously see the shifting shenanigans of the town of Decatur on the above maps. You can also see the city of Atlanta (on the 1859 map) being positioned at the approximate location of where Decature was on the 1840 map. To put some of the distances separating Decatur from Atlanta in perspective, let's take a look at our today's maps.
  • As you can see in the map below, today's Decatur is located about 6 miles east of downtown Atlanta, and about 1.5 miles east of the city limits.
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In other words, distances are not that great. Now... I do think that we could be dealing with a rather large pre-existing city. In 1840 they called it Decatur. Later on certain re-adjustments of the narrative were made. The larger portion of Decatur was re-named to Atlanta, and the smaller portion on the right is still known today as the town of Decatur.

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Which single star-denoted location could represents Atlanta on the map? Any single one could. At the same time all the stars represent Atlanta.

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Before I bore you with additional map research, let's see what the narrative tells us about the town of Decatur.

Decatur
Prior to European settlement, the Decatur area was largely forested. A remnant of old-growth forest near Decatur is preserved as Fernbank Forest. Decatur was established at the intersection of two Native American trails.
  • A site for the DeKalb County courthouse was designated in 1822 in what would become downtown Decatur.
  • The city of Decatur was incorporated on December 10, 1823.
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By the way, here comes our explanation for the above "C.H." designation we saw on the above 1827 map.
  • C.H. - Court House
The map published in 1824 also suggests that we indeed have courthouse designations marked on the map of 1827.

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I do not think they were marking future courthouses. I think those were pre-existing cities and towns getting marked. Whether such towns/cities were conquered or found abandoned, that I have no opinion on.

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Question: What kind of "natural" settlements eventually becoming towns are we talking about here?
  • Their biggest city in 1830 was Savannah, with barely 7,000 citizens.
    • Yet, they were occupying territories and marking spots for future courthouses of yet non-existing towns?
  • To me it sounds like either a conquest, or re-discovery.
Historic DeKalb Courthouse
Ok, I could not help it, for the load of BS presented to us is also a set of instructions on how to properly introduce a pre-existing building
  • DeKalb’s first courthouse was located in Decatur. It was built in 1823 it was described as a “crude wooden structure.”
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  • The next courthouse was built in 1829, and was located in the center of the square.
    • On January 9, 1842, the building caught fire in the middle of the night, destroying nearly all the county’s records.
    • Though the cause of the fire remains a mystery, many believe it was intentionally started by careless card players.
  • In 1847, a new brick courthouse was constructed.
    • It was a plain two-story red-brick building in the Greek Revival style, and had a temple front configuration supported by massive square columns.
    • Although the courthouse survived the “Battle of Decatur” on July 22, 1864, it was demolished in 1898 to make room for a new courthouse.
  • In 1898, a Neoclassical style courthouse replaced the modest brick building.
    • Made from granite, the new structure had many new amenities, including a special room for ladies, complete with toilets.
    • Images from the early 1900s show how rural the courthouse was - it is in the middle of a wide grassy lawn, atop one of the area’s highest points, and you cannot yet see any stores or businesses.
    • In 1908, a Confederate monument was erected in front of the building.
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  • At 5:20 a.m. in September 1916, firefighters were once again called to save the county courthouse.
    • Although the interior of the building was destroyed, fireproof safes protected most of the county’s records.
    • The thick Lithonia granite walls withstood the flames, and they provide the foundation for the courthouse that is now the home of the DeKalb History Center.
    • The cause of the fire is thought to be a smoldering cigar butt dropped by a crowd member waiting for election results the previous night.
  • After the fire, the county retained what they could from the exterior of the building.
    • The cupola was not rebuilt after the fire, but the two historic clocks were placed in the remaining porticoes.
    • Completed in 1918, the new courthouse featured an addition of two new wings and an interior clad with Alabama marble.
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Note: Compare the above story to this one. How many imaginary structures did they have to recycle to introduce a very old structure as something much newer? If you really wanna see this system getting abused, please read up on some of the buildings in Italy.

Maps: Decatur vs. Atlanta
For our map research, it is important to remember what led to the city of Atlanta getting established. As we know, the PTB is claiming the following as the reason for the founding of the city of Atlanta:
  • In 1836, the Georgia General Assembly voted to build the Western and Atlantic Railroad to provide a link between the port of Savannah and the Midwest.
    • A U.S. Army engineer, Colonel Stephen Harriman Long, was asked to recommend the location where the Western and Atlantic line would terminate.
    • He surveyed various possible routes, then in the autumn of 1837, drove a stake into the ground between what are now Forsyth Street and Andrew Young International Boulevard, about three or four blocks northwest of today's Five Points.
    • The zero milepost was later placed to mark that spot.
    • In 1842, the planned terminus location was moved, four blocks southeast (two to three blocks southeast of Five Points), to what would become State Square.
    • At this location, the zero milepost can now be found, adjacent to the southern entrance of Underground Atlanta.
Important: Between 1845 and 1854, rail lines arrived from four different directions, and the rapidly growing town quickly became the rail hub for the entire Southern United States.

Below we can see a portion of this 1854 Map of Georgia. There is our Atlanta, with rail lines arriving from four different directions. It appears that set goals were achieved, because:
  • We can clearly see a rail line going from Atlanta towards Marietta, and from there continuing to the Midwest.
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And of course, the past and shenanigans go hand in hand. Here is a slightly different visual of the same area, but dated with 1853.

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As we remember, the Georgia General Assembly needed a railroad hub to connect Savannah with the Midwest. For that, they drove a stake into the ground in the middle of nowhere. That middle of nowhere, with not a single building in the area in the beginning of the project, had the following names:
  • 1837-1843: Terminus
  • 1843-1847: Marthasville
  • 1847-present: Atlanta
Now let's see where they really pulled the rail line to. Additionally, try to spot two predecessors of the city of Atlanta.
  • Terminus or Marthasville
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Question: So, how many times did we see Terminus or Marthasville? At the same time we've seen plenty of Decatur.
  • Let's see how many times this, once important city of Decatur is being mentioned in the history of Atlanta.
Neither here, nor here do we have a single meaningful mention of this Decatur city. As a matter of fact, the narrative only mentions it once.
  • Dekalb County was created in 1822, from portions of Henry, Fayette, and Gwinnett Counties, and Decatur was created as its county seat the following year.
Now let's fast forwards a few years. What do we have in the same area?
  • In 1901, the all important Atlanta and Decatur occupy the space.
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Today most of us do not even know that this Decatur even exists.
  • Decatur is a city which is part of the Atlanta metropolitan area.
  • With a population of 19,335 in the 2010 census, the municipality is sometimes assumed to be larger since multiple ZIP Codes in unincorporated DeKalb County bear Decatur as the address.
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KD: I believe there was a reason why patent offices, archives and census data storage buildings used to burn on a regular basis. Texts are easy to forge. One would think that maps were not that different. But... what do we know? Naturally, I have no idea why these maps survived.

Here's my opinion on the Atlanta-Decatur issue:
  • There was a pretty large pre-existing city in the area we know today as Atlanta Metropolitan Area.
  • We do not know the original name of this metropolis. May be it was the very same "Atlanta", hence the phoenix seal, who knows?
  • The first repopulated area of this metropolis was originally named Decatur.
  • In 1847, it was decided to name the larger western portion of the metropolis Atlanta.
  • The name of Decatur was preserved by assigning it to a much smaller area on the east side of the metropolis.
  • There were many other pre-existing cities and towns in the area known today as the state of Georgia
    • As they were conquered or discovered by the invaders or finders, they were marked with "C.H".
  • Some cities were so big, that they ended up being split into multiple smaller towns.
  • I think the allegedly built railroads were pre-existing railroads getting either repaired, or unearthed.
Stay tuned. There are some truly bizarre things (pertaining to the state of Georgia) I happened to stumble into. I'll be posting more related articles as time permits.
 

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Hello! Did you notice the ship on the map of the city of Savannah in the lower right corner? This is something incredible. It's a ship with a steam engine and a monitor shape. And this is 1818 ???
 
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    I'm reading a couple of interesting articles which seem to further the idea of narrative manipulation around the earthquakes and Georgia. Will post the links them and snippets from them when I've read them both through.
    Towns upper and lower sounds to me to be descriptions from a caste system. Perhaps the indians in question were originally from India. How they got there and why might shed some light on what really was in Georgia when Oglethorpes Corporation was invoked.
    Perhaps the word chief is simply a descriptor for 'head of the family.
    Another thing I do wonder what language these people spoke.
    Hello! Did you notice the ship on the map of the city of Savannah in the lower right corner? This is something incredible. It's a ship with a steam engine and a monitor shape. And this is 1818 ???
    My guess is its an artists depiction of what the SS Savannah, building in 1818 looked like. No paddles or masts on the map ship!
     
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    SS Savannah it is located in the left corner, but here is the ship that is in the right corner - it is just fantastic
     
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    As far as I understand, this is the ship in question. What this ship is doing on the plan pertaining to 1818 is indeed an interesting question. I guess it could really depend on when this particular plan was actually produced, but then we would have to assume that the plan author was an idiot.


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    For those interested, here we have some interesting maps pertaining to Savannah:
     

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    The ship on the left is a sailing ship, the one on the right a steamship. Both are the product of an engraver who has seen the former but not the latter. My guess would be that the perfect town map was produced for Moss Eng Co New York as evidenced in the crop above. The SS Savannah was built in New York, speculation here as I haven't checked, the engineering company produced something for the ship and this map was a promotional map of a future town not one already laid out in its entirety but one to sell its future expansion.
    Lets not forget the ship was laid down as a fully rigged sailing ship and converted on the slip to a steam and sail ship so few people in real terms would notice her actual shape until she was in the water. Her paddles were removable as well which would mean more often than not she would look like a sailing ship with a funnel which is in essence what the engraver drew. Perhaps he saw her without her masts during construction and it was then the engraving was done and sent to the printers.

    As I said speculation and apologies for wandering KD but its important to me that based on the evidence of the NY connection, the steam ship, the date of 1818 it all points to the probability, nothing more, that this map was how the 'founders' or owners of Savannah wanted Oglethorpes 'vision' to be carried forward.
     
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    @jd755, I'm just curious why you decided to bring up SS Savannah. I'm under the impression that it's the steam ship we struggle to find an official explanation for.
    ...probability, nothing more, that this map was how the 'founders' or owners of Savannah wanted Oglethorpes 'vision' to be carried forward.
    It looks like we have other plans pertaining to the same time frame. Both are from this archive.
    • It's kind of explained (on the archive page) what dates these plans pertain to, but it's hard to be positive about any of this.
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    • It does appear that we have some circumstantial evidence suggesting that many pre-existing cities and towns were incorporated into our contemporary narrative.
    Indeed it seems as though this star fort/citidel was there before the settlers arrival, some parts of the wall still exist and they are massive and considering they must have been some of the first things constructed on arrival(when resources and tools would have been most scarce) it makes little sense.

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    When you get into the town you get the obligatory mudflood houses,

    Olgethorpe avenue,

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    I did an overlay of the old drawing on today's Savannah it it is really quite accurate.

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    I also seems like the buildings inside the citidel are much more "advanced" than those further afield, go outside of this map and they are mostly made of wood, again makes little sense to me.

    Funny little bits of trivia,

    It is where the girl scouts where "founded",
    Just up the road we have the Bethesda academy,
    It too was founded in 1740, must have been on the next boat after Oglethorpe!
     
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    To begin with it was just the amazement expressed by Alex12sb that there could be a stream ship in 1818 or indeed on a map of the city of Savannah. Then having read the tale on wikiwaki and especially the removable paddles, which if true is a very early recognition that the paddles acts as drags when a sail powered ship is underway which rather throws an interesting light on our joint cause celebre the Leviathan aka Great Eastern.
    The ship story does seem to be likely another made up event or at least in part, the only ship that ever had removable paddles that could be put in place in just fifteen minutes and dismantled again in the same timeframe and its miraculous journey across the Atlantic, seemingly mostly under sail not steam, which reminds me of the race to space that trigger the Apollo hoax. An interesting journey in itself which went as far as St Petersburg, they always do, the western empires furthest eastern outpost maybe?
    If she existed then the SS Savannah was essentially a sailing ship carrying a working example of a steam engine and that's about it.

    The connection of the ship and the town plan bearing a steamship both dated 1818 is either an elaborate part of the deception being run or its evidence that the ship and the plan are contemporary and are genuine 1818 fixtures though how to differentiate between the two suggestions is where I stand looking both ways not knowing how to establish which way to go.

    I too have been looking at the archive you posted and find it intriguing. The 5 acre and 45 acre block layout, are these standard land parcelling of the time or even of today. And the trust blocks in the middle of the blocks what on earth are they?
    The town has the feel of being a military establishment to me but I am also aware that in the United States the gridded street layout seems to have been universally popular, unlike here.

    And getting into left field it became obvious that 1818 when added to gether reduces down to 9, The 9 in Teslas 369. My take is 9 is all that is, 6 is the refelction of all that is and 3 is the moving point of perception aka us as the individual. It might mean that the ship and the map are real entities dressed up to appear as something else.
    It certainly looks that way if the 'defenses thrown up in 1814' outline is any sort of evidence. That is a star fort outline not that I know what a star fort is or was used for but its appearance on this map links it to all the others throughout the world and as such it is no surprise to see the city of Savannah being overlaid where it is.

    Probably more than you needed but you did ask.

    The more I think about the changed meaning of words, and Savannah Savanna Savan is one of them, the town is much more likely to be caste than settlement. It's a relatively simple matter to give another meaning to a common word in short order witness the word gay which when I was a boy meant happy, carefree and within a decade or so of my learning he word it had become slang for homosexual and a decade or so later it was accepted as a mainstream definition for being homosexual.
    This is an easy way to hide something of the true history in plain sight.
     
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    I'm wondering if Oglethorpe had anything to do with establishing Canadian Halifax in 1749.

    It feels like there will be more similar "city plans" coming out as we continue our research.


    “Returning” to Georgia, we get pearls like the one below. The image is dated with c. 1780. That is 47 years after the "establishment" of Savannah.
    • What is this, how old is this, who built it and what happened here?
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    Port of Savannah
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    Ha even the river bank has a similar shape to Savannah!

    A question. As all of the official tales for the start of Georgia seem to invoke travel inland from the coast in a westerly direction does anyone feel there is anything to gain from looking at any or all of the other three cardinal points for evidence of anything pre-existing Oglethorpes adventure?
    The town plan thing repeats ad nauseum across North America.
    There is a glaring to me omission in all of the stories of the New Madrid earthquakes there are no native so too speak accounts of events, Been sidetracked by a book from an American in China dated 1929 but I will finish the New Madrid earthquake articles I promise.
     
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    Could you please clarify what three cardinal points of evidence you are talking about?
     
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    North, East and South.
    Dang. Should’ve figured out on my own.

    Well, what do we have for time frames?
    • West would be the 19th century. Everything there has 1850s written all over, but that’s per the narrative.
    • South would be 15th and 16th centuries.
    • North I don’t know.
     

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    Right back to it. This New Madrid earthquake expert. He is or rather was as he is dead a modeller. Basically he took accounts in papers all recorded after the event and some journals and some recorded oral evidence of people who said they were there and mashed them together with geographical evidence on the ground observed and recorded 100 years later FFS to create a picture of what might have happened. This picture is then used as a basis for a helluva lot of speculative documents and at some point it stops being a theory and becomes fact.
    Where have we seen this procedure before, like every bloody where!

    Read through this any pay attention to the words he uses. There is nothing definitive in there its all speculation, ifs, nuts, maybe, could etc.

    Source: 1811-1812 New Madrid Earthquakes Overview from Otto W. Nuttli (1974)

    There is a glaring flaw in the contemporary accounts recorded after the event in that the indian voice seems to be missing. The narration uses exclusively United States citizens reminiscences which to me is dubious at best. Surely the indians, assuming they were there, experiences would be of equal use to establishing what may have happened.

    All in all the whole New Madrid event is a dubious concoction. Why it was concocted and by whom let alone when is open to question and frankly no explanation or theory I've come up with comes close to being a tale of real events.
    As for going to the area 100 years later and sticking a date on this physical feature or that physical feature is pointless yet this is exactly how the mainstream operates its narrative creation.
    There truly is no way to date any physical feature.

    My best guess is for now that something may have happened in the area. Earthquake{s} or something else inexplicable being the best two options for what but going beyond the physical into the speculation its the event has been bigged up and manufactured into something it wasn't to hide or overlay something else that was going on. Explain something else away as being believable in the same vein as the Romans being used to explain away things that could prove embarrassing or downright dangerous the narrative in play.

    Sources worth the time it takes to read.

    This one looks at the construction of the buildings said to be in the area of the earthquake, which is very interesting to say the least.
    It is noted more than a few times that no window glass broke. This is explained away by the use of wooden window frames! I kid you not. Seems the 'experts' will not only talk bollocks but accept bollocks as well. Contemporary evidence shows there is always a certain amount of window glass broken in earthquakes. Not all by any means but the idea of a wooden fame in a wooden/brick/adobe wall somehow absorbing the shaking thus protecting its contents, the glass from damage even simple cracking, is ludicrous.

    This one is a fair few of the eyewitness accounts and you can click through to read them in their entirety.
    There is very little in there that suggests they are actually all witnessing the same event, more a set of events in certain areas.
     

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