What weapon was used to bomb WW2 Dresden?

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It appears we are being lied to again, and the proof of the lies is in the trees.

The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres of the city centre.

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The bombing of Dresden was a British/American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II in the European Theatre. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.

The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres of the city centre. An estimated 22,700 to 25,000 people were killed, although larger casualty figures have been claimed. Three more USAAF air raids followed, two occurring on 2 March aimed at the city's railway marshalling yard and one smaller raid on 17 April aimed at industrial areas.

A few "fire" quotes from Wiki

  • The high explosives were intended to rupture water mains and blow off roofs, doors, and windows to create an air flow to feed the fires caused by the incendiaries that followed.
  • By now, the thousands of fires from the burning city could be seen more than 60 miles (97 km) away on the ground, and 500 miles (800 km) away in the air, with smoke rising to 15,000 feet (4,600 m).
  • ...many were calling and looking for their children and families, and fire everywhere, everywhere fire, and all the time the hot wind of the firestorm threw people back into the burning houses they were trying to escape from.
  • With the city on fire everywhere, those fleeing from one burning cellar simply...
  • ...inner eastern suburbs had been engulfed in a single fire that had destroyed almost 12,000 dwellings.
Source: Bombing of Dresden in World War II - Wikipedia

Where is the FIRE?

Apparently, one of the common denominators connecting many weird urban/forest fires, and bombings with the main theme of this forum is the lack of sufficient temperature. Time and time again, fierce powerful firestorms destroying hole cities, fail to set as much as a tree on fire.

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Apart from some crazy "green movement" type group, running around and planting those trees amidst the wreckage of the destroyed, war time city, I straggle for a reasonable explanation.

Interesting that similar issues exist in multiple "bombed" by high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices WW2 cities.

Resonance Sonic Weapons?
These appear to target living entities for the most part. Wonder if resonance weapons could isolate targets based on their natural frequency.

Natural Frequency
The frequency or frequencies at which an object tends to vibrate with when hit, struck, plucked, strummed or somehow disturbed is known as the natural frequency of the object. ... All objects have a natural frequency or set of frequencies at which they vibrate.
New World War: Sonic Weapons
Sonic weapon


Bizarre
Did Martin Luther - German professor of theology, composer, priest, monk, and a seminal figure in the Protestant Reformation - piss somebody off? Why topple the statue after the bombing was over?

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What didn't they like in Dresden?
Building like these, or people?...

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KD: What fire of the described magnitude does nor destroy trees and does not char buildings? Four raids by 1249 airplanes (like 4,996 at once) with 3,900 tons of explosives dropped on Dresden.

Where is a single bomb crater? An interesting debate on the WW2 crater issue can be seen here.

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(Do not assume those are nuclear related craters. Read the comments.)
 
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An older article from German newspaper Spiegel (this magazine was allegedly founded with license from CIA after the WWII).

There is a description that there was a German Town build in Utah near (100km) Salt Lake City where they try to perfect the Firebombing to destroy German Towns.

First Paragraphs

"Attack on "German Village"
In the Utah desert, during the Second World War, the Americans rehearsed the bombing of Berlin. They faithfully let build tenements. Architect was the renowned German Jew Erich Mendelsohn. From Mike Davis

Monday, 11.10.1999
Berlin's most remote, least-known suburb is orphaned in the scrubland of the state of Utah, about one hundred kilometers southwest of Salt Lake City. It bears the name "German Village" and is part of the army area "Dugway Proving Ground".
Dugway is about half the size of Saarland and more contaminated with toxins than the nuclear test site in Utah's western neighbor Nevada. Three generations of chemical and biological weapons of the American forces were tested here; The area was always subject to the highest secrecy and was surrounded by legends during the Cold War.
The "German village" is the remnant of a larger building complex: replicas of tenements in Berlin on which the cremation of German cities was practiced. The German-Jewish architect Erich Mendelsohn has created a huge one of modern architecture.
In 1943, the US chemical warfare corps secretly hired Mendelsohn and won him over to build a miniature Berlin working-class district in the Utah desert with engineers from Standard Oil in the Utah desert. A tenement barracks named "Building 8100" still stands today the building does not suggest that here was the same man at work, the Weimar period for such Berlin landmarks as the Mosse House, the Columbus House, the Sternefeld residential building in Charlottenburg or the Einsteinturm Observatory in Potsdam.
Absolute similarity in every respect, was the default. His clients were in a hurry. Despite successful air raids that turned German cities into flames, the Allies grew frustrated because they did not want to spark a firestorm in the capital.
Their scientific advisers therefore called for an immediate program, in which the fire properties of workers' residences should be tested on the basis of exact replicas. Planning and construction were coordinated with secret research into the flammability of Japanese homes, as the simulated destruction of Japanese targets was also on Dugway's agenda."

The complete article translated by google Artikel Online or as PDF :
 

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An older artcle from german newspaper Spiegel (this magzin was allegedly founded with license from CIA after the WWII).
There is a description that there was a german Town build in Utah near (100km) Salt Lake City where they try to perfect the Fireboming to destroy german Towns.
Thank you, I had no idea about this one. Though I'm not quite sure how this practicing could have saved those trees from being incinerated, or those thousands of bombs from leaving thousands of craters.

The Dresden event is reminiscent of this: 2017 Urban fires in California. Could DEW weapons be the true cause?
 
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Quote - Churchill - before the Bombing of Dresden to the Pilots:

"I’m not interested in military Objects in the area of Dresden, I’m interested, how we can roast the refugees from Breslau in Dresden"

The Battlefield of all Wars befor was near the (one) City, with WWII ,first time in History, the Battlefields was in the City.

Jörg Friedrich: Der Brand – Germany's cities were under permanent bombardment during the Second World War for five years. More than 600,000 civilian casualties were to be lamented, the historically grown urban landscape sank irretrievably. The historian Jörg Friedrich presents the first comprehensive account of this catastrophe, which, despite its unprecedented dimension, has hardly found any expression in the national memory of the Germans
 
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@HengistErbse, this is interesting but how does it explain the trees not affected by the overwhelming fires attributed to this particular bombing?
 

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The cratering in that final picture show remarkable similarities to electric discharge cratering, as demonstrated by the Thunderbolts Project Youtube videos. There are several in which they go over cratering on planets in our solar system and various places on Earth, where the craters match things seen in plasma discharges in laboratory experiments.

Such as this one

And this one

Soooooooo .......
 

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Well, take a look at those videos and the various craters and tell me what you think.

edit: Upon reading all of those comments and looking at the photographs, they look like bomb craters, except the '3 weeks after' for Hiroshima doesn't match Nagasaki's after effects at all.

Something isn't jiving... that's TOTALLY UNEXPECTED! :p
 
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I don’t know, sounds like Japan was not nuked, and Dresden was not conventionally bombed. Something like that.
For Dresden it is the first time i think about that it was not Firebombing. I can not say what happend.
About Dresden i found this "Seven Days and Seven Nights the City (dresden) was burning" . Sounds biblical ?

For Hiroshima and Nagasaki there are many information , that it was no Nukes, that Atomic Bombs does not exist.
Why there live people in the Citys, if the nuklear half-time is so long .

Explanation about the Hoax. One thing is the ridiculouse critical Mass. You press two solid Metall Uranium Plates together and it explodes...
Inside a Reaktor the nuklear reaction can only run if you put graphite or so (moderator) inside. Because the Neutrons are to fast for a permanent reaktion, they must be slow down.

Explanations why a-bombs and h-bombs do not work - 1. 28 August 2018

Video from Galen Winsor , who was an nuclear engineer. He says that he was swimming in the nuclear cooling pool, before regulation and nuclear fear.

Galen Winsor

A deeper Investiagtion about the Nuclear Hoax.

Nuclear Hoax - Nukes Do Not Exist!

The Bank of Japan in Hiroshima, 600 Meters from the center of explosion (no Blast ?, look at the Windows)

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Hiroshima after the "Explosion"

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Tokio not A Bombed, (burning in Napalm) looks similar to Hiroshima ?

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The dresden Event maybe similar to the "modern" forest fires (?)

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Korea is an interesting topic. There appears to be very few good quality images. Below are a couple with one from Pyongyang and one from Wonsan. The second image, from Wonsan, has craters similar to the ones observed in Hiroshima.

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I think we can find a few interesting pre-war images of North Korean region. The architecture is something to pay attention to.

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But nothing I see so far explains the survival of the trees in a fiery inferno.
 

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LOL the architecture strikes yet again. Even the remnants in the post bombing photos make those areas of Korea seem much more advanced than what dogmatic education would have us believe.

Only semi-related but this makes me wonder about some asian history, if you look at, for example the history of early japanese emperors, they were basically mythical, said to be descendents of gods, living for times such as 140+ years. Modern history says something like most of the first 8 emperors probably didn't actually exist. I wonder if you could find some interesting links to the cover ups of the worlds history in some of the manufactured asian history. The japanese are otherwise considered to be some of the best at keeping history in much of the worlds history. Something to keep in mind maybe.
 
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The native japanese are caucasian people called Ainu.

"The Ainu or the Aynu (Ainu アィヌ Aynu; Japanese: アイヌ Ainu; Russian: Айны Ajny), in the historical Japanese texts the Ezo (蝦夷), are an indigenous people of Japan (Hokkaido, and formerly northeastern Honshu) and Russia (Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands, and formerly the Kamchatka Peninsula).
The official number of the Ainu is 25,000, but unofficially is estimated at 200,000 due to many Ainu having been completely assimilated into Japanese society and, as a result, having no knowledge of their ancestry."


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Old architcture same as everywhere.

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More Info from New Earth
The origin of the Samurai and the Truth about the Past of Japan

Same technic ?

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The Japanese Ainu topic should probably be discussed in a different thread. The topic by itself is fascinating, and pretty sure will do great on its own.

As far as the technique to cause all the destruction goes, it sure does look very similar. With so many years in between, the isolation of targets is pretty much similar.
 

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