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I've been gone for a while and I still am. One of the main reasons for me not being present is the lack of motivation due to family issues. It's one of those things when the darkness has no end in sight. Hopefully one day I'll be back, for deep inside I miss certain things.

For right now, I wanted to ask you guys about your thoughts on the year 2030 and all the hype attributed to this date. The PTB clearly puts a certain meaning to this "2030" date. As far as we know they keep on talking about the so-called "Climate Change" formerly known as the "Global Warming." The importance of the date appears to be relevant. It's either that (the importance of the date), or they just picked a date to achieve their "world management" goals. Could there be more to this date than we are being allowed to know?
World civilization cycles are one of the topics that I've been pondering on for a while now. Industrial revolutions appear to be convenient enough for re-introducing older technologies into the newly developing, post-apocalypse spins of the world civilization. From this perspective, the infatuation of the elites (imho, some of them do know what's up) with "2030" could be rather interesting. Additionally, we are obviously dealing with certain depopulation related agendas. I am no expert, but it does appear that our planet can sustain way more than whatever our current population is.
  • When could population numbers become really important?
    • This is just a speculation of mine, but I'd say at the time when people compete for food and resources in the absence of infrastructure and governance.
  • When could we possibly experience the absence of infrastructure and governance?
What events could result in something similar to what we see here and here?
  • Wars?
  • Urban Fires?
  • Natural disasters?
The Three Events
As far as I understand, the official chronology can not be trusted. With that in mind, I think we could have one 19th century USA event broken into three separate events. Chances are there are more than three such events, but these three definitely stand out.

1811-1812: New Madrid Earthquakes
The New Madrid Earthquakes took place between December 1811 and April 1812 along an active fault line that extends roughly from Marked Tree (Poinsett County) in a northeasterly direction, crossing several states for about 150 miles. The earthquakes and aftershocks caused extensive damage throughout northeast Arkansas and southeast Missouri, altering the landscape, affecting settlement of the area, and leaving noticeable reminders that another huge earthquake could happen at any time.
  • Thirty miles south, in the river town of what is today Caruthersville, Missouri, all twenty houses were destroyed, and the surrounding land was rendered almost unrecognizable.
  • The ground rolled in several-foot-high waves until they burst, hurling up geysers of water, sand, and a charcoal-like substance.
  • Giant fissures swallowed buildings, along with anyone inside.
  • Some land rose, and other land sank to become inundated with water as rivers changed their course to fill the hollows. Huge chunks of riverbank collapsed into the Mississippi, and an island rose, blocking the current from running downstream.
  • As fissures opened in the riverbed and the banks collapsed, the water was forced to run backward, or upstream, until the temporary island was washed away.
  • Most accounts said it lasted a few minutes, while others said it lasted up to three days.
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1833: The Leonid Meteor Storm
The Leonid meteor storm was seen across the United States in the night and early morning of November 12th and 13th, 1833. Those who were awake to witness the storm were in awe as between 50,000 and 150,000 meteors fell each hour.
  • The 1833 Leonid Meteor Storm
  • To me, the above article sounded like an attempt to justify why just about every newspaper in the United States was publishing the exact same, or almost exact same text. Could it be that this is how historical narratives get introduced?
On a separate note, if these were not meteors, what could they be?

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1859: The Carrington Event
The Carrington Event was the most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September 1859 during solar cycle 10. It created strong auroral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations. The geomagnetic storm was most likely the result of a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the Sun colliding with Earth's magnetosphere.
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I am not so sure there was "nothing much" to damage in those days. What about an allegedly "non-existent" at the time electrical grid?

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The horse-drawn tram (horsecar) was an early form of public rail transport, which developed out of industrial haulage routes that had long been in existence, and from the omnibus routes that first ran on public streets in the 1820s, using the newly improved iron or steel rail or 'tramway'.
  • In the United States the very first streetcar appeared in New Orleans in 1832, operated by the Pontchartrain Railroad Company, followed by those in 1832 on the New York and Harlem Railroad in New York City.
  • Horsecar - Wikipedia
For whatever (historical) reason, the above contraption is claimed to be the original design. They manufactured rails, laid train tracks, built cars... for what exactly? For horses to pull them rigs?
  • Something does not add up here.
  • Do these technologies match, or people were forced to use horses for obvious reasons?
Who knows, may be in some remote year 2095, historians will claim the below designs were original as well. Will they claim that the Carrington event 2.0 of 2030 did not damage much because there was "nothing much" to damage?

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Power Grid Cyber Attack
Another thing to consider is the constant "threat" of an imminent cyber attack. The MSM and WEF are pounding it down our throats. They even went as far as calling it a Cyber Pandemic.
Wondering, what would be the difference between a Power Grid Cyber Attack and some (known to some) "Carrington Event 2.0"?


KD Question: Prophets have been popping up left and right recently. Them climate changes, pandemics, cyber attacks, upcoming famine, etc. There is always someone out there to predict their occurrences, and somehow their "prophesies" become our reality.
  • Could it be that some people (or other entities) know what's coming around 2030, and govern the world society according to the pre-determined conservation plan?
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This particular guideline does not appear to match our currently claimed world population of 7.9 bil. But what if this guideline shows how many people can be adequately governed and controlled to start a new civilizational cycle after a "world ending" event? Could it be that more than 500 mil. people existing under the conditions lacking infrastructure and governance would jeopardize the ability of the future Robber Barons to re-start the world?
  • After all, who needs extra millions of hungry individuals competing for food and resources when there are none?
Per our official history, humans of our kind and thinking ability exist for over 50,000 years. Yet, 200 years ago in 1820-30s (what would this date be without railroad locomotives?) people still used animal power for transportation. A couple industrial revolutions and one Nikola Tesla later, and we fly, drive, claim space travel and explore the metaverse.

Meanwhile, we have loads of evidence that this world was eviscerated (may be more than once). Dates differ, but plenty of this evidence points towards the first half of the 19th century being the most recent occurrence.

Here is the main question I guess: could it be that the projected "climate change" events of 2030 are a well disguised inevitable cyclical occurrence known to the select few?
  • If there is no climate change danger, and TPTB are not merely reorganizing the financial/governance structure of the planet... what could the significance of the year 2030 be?
I have all but two thoughts on the matter:
  1. We have no idea of the structure of the environment (what is our planet Earth?) we live in.
    • The Earth system could have some sort of a built-in fail-safe feature that under specific conditions triggers pre-programed events.
  2. Under specific conditions, we get attacked from the outside of our known geography.
    • These attacks are being presented as urban fires, meteor showers, Carrington events, years without summer and various New Madrid earthquakes.
 

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To clarify, I wasn’t accusing him of pushing back a date from 2012, simply drawing a comparison between those doomsday soothsayers and his prediction of 2040 being a key date (as opposed to 2030). Mostly being snarky and as you note, perhaps unfairly as I never really dove into his body of work. However, when your texts are paywalled and the videos lengthy, well… doesn’t excuse me, but doesn’t exactly inspire me either.

I just have a few rather critical stumbling blocks here. I mean, as soon as the video loads, I see a CGI ball earth that fades into a chart that starts with 5239 BC (not 5240 or 5238). That’s some major precision there which I simply have a hard time believing is going to be justified. Even your statement “ancient texts”… I’m not sure how one determines which ones are truly ancient, given, as stated above, the complete lack of original primary documents prior to the 10th century (being generous there again). I do know how such documents (or etchings or structures or what have you) are alleged to be dated and I find it all to be circular at best, usually operating off of some other “known” chronological event(s) and making comparisons.

Based on my experience and perusal of this gentlemen’s catalogue, he seems like a professional dot connector… in the couple minutes I skipped to in the video, I already hear Sitchin being referenced who was a similar ilk. Basically, they work off the dates assembled by the academic mainstream except in instances where it doesn’t quite suit their narrative, then they’ll cite alternative/new theories. Basically they use accepted chronology as a foundational element of their work, conceding that it’s largely accurate but perhaps needs some tweaks. I do not share such faith in the modern narrative. Hell, I’m somewhat reluctant at times to even say “prior to the 10th century” because I’m not sure of the veracity of anything at any point (especially beyond the last 100 years). I see history being falsified in damn near real time, and it’s my guess that this has a compounding effect. Meaning my degree in confidence of events in the 19th century is higher than the 14th, but there’s asterisks around all of this. You take me back to BC and I’m going have a real hard time here, even if you cite “changing calendars.”

All that being said, I don’t like to throw the baby out with the bathwater and I have no doubt there is some interesting information in his research. Though I am skeptical that I’d get anything more out of it than going directly to the sources he’s citing. You mentioning the “dates and numbers repeating” could be notable even if the dates are not historically accurate… perhaps it could lead to some clarity on why certain numbers were selected, almost some sort of code, though I’m also skeptical that historical fraud has that sort of uniform organization. I will try to listen to this all the way through with an open mind. And if I don’t, I promise I’ll at least stop sniping his work from the cheap seats :)

edit: and one minute in and I’m getting literacy rates and average distance traveled for a person in the early 15th century. I may not survive… (stop snarking, Banta, you promised!)

edit edit: I probably won’t listen to all of this. I’m sorry, more power to you and maybe I’m just too ignorant to understand, but this is absolutely what I suspected it was. A grab bag of standard chronology, combined with a fusion of every alternative idea under the sun (exploding planet hypothesis, Nibiru, etc) all framed in heliocentrism. This is about the polar opposite of what I find interesting about this research and this site in particular. I feel like more truth is found with detailed study into specific events rather than trying to assemble the whole of history into a handy chart (or the whole of the earth and heavens into a handy cosmological model).

I will apologize for casting aspersions on Mr. Beshears motivations though, I generally don’t do that and I definitely shouldn’t have. It’s very possible that he’s genuine in his claims, I just don’t agree with the methodology. I think he’s somewhat naive at best, but that’s okay. God knows I don’t have much figured out.
trust me I was very weary as well, and the long videos are normally difficult for me to stay tuned into. But I find it easier with Jason;s work. I am only 6-7 videos in and I have a lot more to listen too. I just wanted to share some of his findings cuz I recently came across this same subject matter of 2030. Thank you for replying and explaining your point.

Edit: He does mention Sitchen cuz he was one of the original researches of Sumerian tablets, but he explains that Sitchen got a lot things wrong. He didnt criticize him just feels he misinterpreted some data. Out of all the videos I highly recommend the last one I posted as he runs through all the cataclysms that have been recorded through diff civilizations. Some of the dates and coincidences are unreal.
 
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    Some of the dates and coincidences are unreal.
    That's exactly my problem though, who is validating these dates? Here's a passage at 27:15 that sort of illustrates my problem:
    So this chart right here, you can see Nemesis cataclysm, Earth, Luna, Phoenix, Nemesis, Nemesis X object dark satellite are catapulted towards Sol in 5239 BC. It takes 600 years for earth to adopt its orbit right here in 4639 BC. It takes another 600 years for the moon to appear right here, it takes another 600 years for Nemesis X object to appear right here. You have to understand this precision is unnatural but you cannot claim that I made up these dates, this 3439 BC date, I've already shown in many other videos other chronologists come up with these dates. I'm talking about precisely this date so this wasn't me.
    To me, the one of the most important parts of any of this research is sharing how we arrive at certain dates. There's no shortage of articles on this website and others showing how most accepted dating methods are highly suspect and lacking empiricism. But in his analysis, these critical details are the ones that are glossed over in favor of appealing to group consensus (at best, sometimes just the findings of other fringe researchers). Without being able to prove the premise, everything that follows is suspect. And he rapid fires a number of unproven premises in a row and tries to tie them all together. Again, this style of research is not unique, but I don't think it's much more than fan fiction honestly.

    And as such, it's fun to entertain (for some, it makes me sort of queasy at this point in my life). But I don't have the foggiest idea how you would even begin to validate something like this (from his comment section on this video):
    The Archaix premise is simple, but it gets complicated to those unfamiliar with this idea. First: the Simulacrum we exist within is a confinement filed wherein simulated biospheres and historical periods are run, stopped, reset and edited periodically. INSIDE here it's all false, simulated. But this is all a COPY of a real system outside this domed vault where OUR REAL IDENTITIES are safe from the perceived threats that happen in this artificial construct.
    (Not particularly jazzed when, let's say "inadvertent" doublespeak starts your summary)

    Seems like he's working real hard to synthesize every speculation out there (incorporating elements of "flat earth cosmology" and New Age spirituality, along with matrix theory) into his heliocentrically based system. Like this is all a puzzle to be solved. And perhaps it is, but perhaps some of the pieces aren't pieces at all. It's almost impossible to solve a puzzle unless you know what the final product looks like, so many take a guess and then work backwards. Again, I think this is antithetical to conducting actual objective research and a large reason why our history and understanding of the physical realm is so distorted. Presumptions based on presumptions, some with different flavors, but at the end of the day, false precision based on earlier false precision. This is where my cynicism kicks in too, because such techniques have been used by people who certainly don't have "truth" as their primary motivation. And it works because if you throw in enough different concepts, you're going to appeal to a wide variety of people who have entertained/believed in them at some point. Then you offer a way to organize all of them into a worldview... and well, I suspect that's how religions are born. Again, not to say that is what he's doing intentionally for nefarious purposes, I think it's a human condition to want to organize reality into a structured narrative. My experience however informs me that is mostly folly.

    I think I've exhausted what I have to say about this topic now. Apologies for the diatribe, I guess I'm just excited that KD is posting again!
     
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    You guys got me interested in this gentleman's research, so, to be objective, I listened through the entire video. A few minutes in it became a struggle due to my mind developing multiple questions. He clearly put years into researching this, so I do not want to be disrespectful, but this is definitely not my cup of research tea. The approach to data collecting is definitely not in line with mine. Jason separated himself from researchers like Graham Hancock, yet the substance of the material presented reminded me of David Childress and Erich von Daniken. As @Banta eloquently put it, "dot connecting" looks impressive. I always have one question though:
    • What are the sources of data used to connect the dots?
    At 34:33 Jason referred to "Toltec records". Is there even such a thing? When were these records discovered, and where are they kept?

    At 55:50 Jason mentions a book by Herodotus. Are there any books by Herodotus? Where is this particular book being kept? When was it located? What does it look like? Is this another one of those copies of the copies of the copies conveniently discovered after 1400 AD?

    The above two are just an example of multiple mentioned sources that, in my opinion, need to be scrutinized. Don't even want to talk about Annunaki references, and the Egyptian pyramid being built some 2k BC.

    At 13:15 Jason says "...it is south of the Solar system". This is probably where I need some education. How do we determine what's south of the solar system. Is there even such a direction?

    At 40:40 Jason says the following, "In 1849 BC Sodom and Gomorrah, ... Mohenjo-daro... they are destroyed in massive fallout". Well, I'm not so sure this dating approach is 100% correct.
    Every historical claim has to be substantiated by some sort of a source. Reliability of such sources is not something we can always measure. For me, reading our contemporary interpretation of historical events, especially based on the Scaligerian chronology is not enough.

    Working backwards from today, is something more "tangible" for me. 19th century alone is hard to understand. I am not even sure it lasted 100 years. When we start talking about 7k -1k years ago, I simply do not know where the information comes from, when all our known sources were not discovered/created prior to 1400 AD. I am not saying that people did not live, let's say, 10k years ago. I just do not understand where details of some 5k old events can be obtained from.
     
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    You guys got me interested in this gentleman's research, so, to be objective, I listened through the entire video. A few minutes in it became a struggle due to my mind developing multiple questions. He clearly put years into researching this, so I do not want to be disrespectful, but this is definitely not my cup of research tea. The approach to data collecting is definitely not in line with mine. Jason separated himself from researchers like Graham Hancock, yet the substance of the material presented reminded me of David Childress and Erich von Daniken. As @Banta eloquently put it, "dot connecting" looks impressive. I always have one question though:
    • What are the sources of data used to connect the dots?
    At 34:33 Jason referred to "Toltec records". Is there even such a thing? When were these records discovered, and where are they kept?

    At 55:50 Jason mentions a book by Herodotus. Are there any books by Herodotus? Where is this particular book being kept? When was it located? What does it look like? Is this another one of those copies of the copies of the copies conveniently discovered after 1400 AD?

    The above two are just an example of multiple mentioned sources that, in my opinion, need to be scrutinized. Don't even want to talk about Annunaki references, and the Egyptian pyramid being built some 2k BC.

    At 13:15 Jason says "...it is south of the Solar system". This is probably where I need some education. How do we determine what's south of the solar system. Is there even such a direction?

    At 40:40 Jason says the following, "In 1849 BC Sodom and Gomorrah, ... Mohenjo-daro... they are destroyed in massive fallout". Well, I'm not so sure this dating approach is 100% correct.
    Every historical claim has to be substantiated by some sort of a source. Reliability of such sources is not something we can always measure. For me, reading our contemporary interpretation of historical events, especially based on the Scaligerian chronology is not enough.

    Working backwards from today, is something more "tangible" for me. 19th century alone is hard to understand. I am not even sure it lasted 100 years. When we start talking about 7k -1k years ago, I simply do not know where the information comes from, when all our known sources were not discovered/created prior to 1400 AD. I am not saying that people did not live, let's say, 10k years ago. I just do not understand where details of some 5k old events can be obtained from.
    I copied yours and Bana's questions and sent an email to Jason to clarify. I am to new to this to even begin to try to answer anything you guys stated. I have all the respect in the world for you guys here. You all do excellent research and ask great questions. Thank you.

    Jason was in prison from age 17 till 40 I think. Where he spent years in solitary. His only reading material was from a publisher that had books from 400-500 years ago. That is what started him on this journey.

    Here is Jason's email back to me....

    Thanks, but I'm unsure where you're going with all this. If anyone wants to critique my chronological data, I'm all for that. In fact, if any group of people want to provide an analysis of the data and conclusions of the Archaix world chronology I will fairly post it on my own channel in the form of a video for all to review. Then I will provide answer in my own video. I am 100% confident my thesis will stand to scrutiny. So far those who were critical and assessed all the data came around.

    Opining of one's merits because of a video of a globular earth is pedantic- my entire premise is that this is a simulated world. This simulation seeks to have us believe in a heliocentric model by the way the entire stellasphere arcs across the sky every night, the path of the sun and moon, the phases of the moon, all indicate a intended deception.

    there is no need to provide more chronological data, though I can. My videos already demonstrate more than enough. You can have the following attached materials.


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    Jason was in prison from age 17 till 40 I think. Where he spent years in solitary. His only reading material was from a publisher that had books from 400-500 years ago. That is what started him on this journey.
    Damn, what a synchronicity, I was in prison between 17 and 21 years of age, before I got there I was pretty much illiterate, i quickly found that my only escape was in books of the library, I started with fiction and quickly moved to sci fi and then onto Von Daniken, Stichen and Graham Hancock, by the end of my time I had read almost all of the small library and started to teach others to read by saying things phonetically and those that could not read i used to read the letter they received to them, enough about me.

    I have come across Jason before and felt he was just rehashing the Von Daniken/Hancock/Stictin stuff so put it to one side, I had previously bought into it to the degree of booking a trip to Machu Piccu to take some ayahausca to witness the end of the world from the best seat in the house but it never came to pass.

    I don't know what i am trying to say here but i am now a firm believer that we are in some kind of monitored sim, kind of like the Nexus described in the star trek films and that our individual desires and ambitions will be for filled.
     
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    Damn, what a synchronicity, I was in prison between 17 and 21 years of age, before I got there I was pretty much illiterate, i quickly found that my only escape was in books of the library, I started with fiction and quickly moved to sci fi and then onto Von Daniken, Stichen and Graham Hancock, by the end of my time I had read almost all of the small library and started to teach others to read by saying things phonetically and those that could not read i used to read the letter they received to them, enough about me.

    I have come across Jason before and felt he was just rehashing the Von Daniken/Hancock/Stictin stuff so put it to one side, I had previously bought into it to the degree of booking a trip to Machu Piccu to take some ayahausca to witness the end of the world from the best seat in the house but it never came to pass.

    I don't know what i am trying to say here but i am now a firm believer that we are in some kind of monitored sim, kind of like the Nexus described in the star trek films and that our individual desires and ambitions will be for filled.
    I too was inside for illegal possession of a firearm when I was about 24 yrs old.
     
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    Thanks, but I'm unsure where you're going with all this. If anyone wants to critique my chronological data, I'm all for that.
    I appreciate your interest in furthering this discussion, but I’m not really sure this is going to go anywhere. I’ve found that a lot of people like to debate specifics in a range of topics and are unsure how to handle a criticism of the overall premise. And certainly, that makes sense to a degree as I would not want to outright say that every date he cites is incorrect. You can see KD’s post in this thread (or just look at any number of articles here) for a couple examples of where the circumstantial evidence raises serious questions about the accepted chronology.

    So, this isn’t an easy conversation to have to begin with, as the scope is so large that drifting from event to event seems inevitable (and one of the reasons why I don’t really care for this “unified theory” type of research). If I had to nail my major criticism down to one question it’s “how do you validate dates for events when we have no primary, original documents from earlier than a millennia ago at best?” And again, that’s not a simple discussion either because then we’re getting into a number of various dating techniques. None of them fill me with any confidence and I and others have written on the issues with them on this site before and there’s plenty of critiques available on the internet in general.

    There are accepted standards for provenance but even “best practices” are subject to fraud. It’s very hard for human beings to accept that certainty in most issues is impossible. Even the so-called original, primary source documents often come down to believing a story, that this book was in the possession of some noble family for generations… how do you actually validate the legitimacy? The same markers you would use to collaborate authenticity could be used by forgers. But again, I’m talking generally and don’t want my comments to be misconstrued that every alleged historical document is a fraud. However, I think the potential for fraud is greater than the ones evaluating such information would usually admit and we can’t dismiss the obvious profit/power/prestige motives in “validating genuine” documents.

    So my position, though I believe it to be more accurate and “honest”, is a hard one to defend because I’m not making a positive claim. I feel most would rather argue “I say the Great Pyramid was built in 5,500 BC not 2,500 BC” and then list their reasons for why their date is more accurate. Saying “I’m not really sure that anyone can even know when the Great Pyramid was built” (much like saying “I’m not really sure what the Earth is”) is always going to be less convincing to most because we crave answers. And especially when you’ve constructed an elaborate year-by-year history of civilization spanning 7,000 years, I’d imagine the last thing you’d want to consider is that your entire chronology is based on unverifiable information of dubious origin.

    Again, as I type all that, it sort of sounds like I’m saying “you can’t do it because everything is suspect so why bother?” and I admit that I go through times that I really feel like that. However, I think there is value in hyperspecific investigations (which makes up the bulk of the content on this site) and also in evaluating recurrent trends. I may not be able to put a date to a “reset” event or even completely describe what it involves, but I can see the case for it and maybe as long as I keep my mind completely open and don’t start inventing my own stories (as tempting as that is), I can slowly drill down to a more detailed and specific understanding.

    Bottomline is, I’m still looking for answers. I believe Mr. Beshears already has his, on history and the nature of reality. And that’s okay and I feel no need to debate it. I will always point out though when foundational elements are missing because I have a pet peeve for matters of faith being misrepresented (often not deliberately) as empirical fact. It especially irritates me in “alternative” communities, because I can’t understand how easily some seem to see the issues with the mainstream narrative but can’t see the issues in their own. Human nature, I suppose.
     
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    I am 100% confident my thesis will stand to scrutiny.
    I'm ready to start with these here:
    • At 34:33 Jason referred to "Toltec records". Is there even such a thing? When were these records discovered, and where are they kept? What language were these records written in?
    I can even help out here with this 1919 book mentioning Toltec Records. I simply want to see what those look like and where they are kept at. It's not too hard to write a similar piece when noone inquires into sources of the data.
    • At 13:15 Jason says "...it is south of the Solar system". This is probably where I need some education. How do we determine what's south of the solar system. Is there even such a direction? Where is that?
     
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    I'm ready to start with these here:
    • At 34:33 Jason referred to "Toltec records". Is there even such a thing? When were these records discovered, and where are they kept? What language were these records written in?
    I can even help out here with this 1919 book mentioning Toltec Records. I simply want to see what those look like and where they are kept at. It's not too hard to write a similar piece when noone inquires into sources of the data.
    • At 13:15 Jason says "...it is south of the Solar system". This is probably where I need some education. How do we determine what's south of the solar system. Is there even such a direction? Where is that?
    I will find out for you once Jason replies.
     
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    I appreciate your interest in furthering this discussion, but I’m not really sure this is going to go anywhere. I’ve found that a lot of people like to debate specifics in a range of topics and are unsure how to handle a criticism of the overall premise. And certainly, that makes sense to a degree as I would not want to outright say that every date he cites is incorrect. You can see KD’s post in this thread (or just look at any number of articles here) for a couple examples of where the circumstantial evidence raises serious questions about the accepted chronology.

    So, this isn’t an easy conversation to have to begin with, as the scope is so large that drifting from event to event seems inevitable (and one of the reasons why I don’t really care for this “unified theory” type of research). If I had to nail my major criticism down to one question it’s “how do you validate dates for events when we have no primary, original documents from earlier than a millennia ago at best?” And again, that’s not a simple discussion either because then we’re getting into a number of various dating techniques. None of them fill me with any confidence and I and others have written on the issues with them on this site before and there’s plenty of critiques available on the internet in general.

    There are accepted standards for provenance but even “best practices” are subject to fraud. It’s very hard for human beings to accept that certainty in most issues is impossible. Even the so-called original, primary source documents often come down to believing a story, that this book was in the possession of some noble family for generations… how do you actually validate the legitimacy? The same markers you would use to collaborate authenticity could be used by forgers. But again, I’m talking generally and don’t want my comments to be misconstrued that every alleged historical document is a fraud. However, I think the potential for fraud is greater than the ones evaluating such information would usually admit and we can’t dismiss the obvious profit/power/prestige motives in “validating genuine” documents.

    So my position, though I believe it to be more accurate and “honest”, is a hard one to defend because I’m not making a positive claim. I feel most would rather argue “I say the Great Pyramid was built in 5,500 BC not 2,500 BC” and then list their reasons for why their date is more accurate. Saying “I’m not really sure that anyone can even know when the Great Pyramid was built” (much like saying “I’m not really sure what the Earth is”) is always going to be less convincing to most because we crave answers. And especially when you’ve constructed an elaborate year-by-year history of civilization spanning 7,000 years, I’d imagine the last thing you’d want to consider is that your entire chronology is based on unverifiable information of dubious origin.

    Again, as I type all that, it sort of sounds like I’m saying “you can’t do it because everything is suspect so why bother?” and I admit that I go through times that I really feel like that. However, I think there is value in hyperspecific investigations (which makes up the bulk of the content on this site) and also in evaluating recurrent trends. I may not be able to put a date to a “reset” event or even completely describe what it involves, but I can see the case for it and maybe as long as I keep my mind completely open and don’t start inventing my own stories (as tempting as that is), I can slowly drill down to a more detailed and specific understanding.

    Bottomline is, I’m still looking for answers. I believe Mr. Beshears already has his, on history and the nature of reality. And that’s okay and I feel no need to debate it. I will always point out though when foundational elements are missing because I have a pet peeve for matters of faith being misrepresented (often not deliberately) as empirical fact. It especially irritates me in “alternative” communities, because I can’t understand how easily some seem to see the issues with the mainstream narrative but can’t see the issues in their own. Human nature, I suppose.
    I respect your opinion. I guess I misunderstood what you were saying originally. Jason also used to be Methodist Baptist and he mentioned in videos how hard it was for him to break out of that programming. He said for years all he was doing was defending and trying to confirm scripture with history. But in the end there were to many missing pieces to the KJ version bible. All manipulated for a control agenda. This is one area I already had the same opinion well before I came across Jason's work. I grew up in the protestant church.
    Just wondering what our own simple web search of Toltec records and directions south of the Solar system would produce.
    Jason emailed me late last night with this reply. I will add here if I had watched more of his videos prior I could have possibly answered some questions along the way.

    Jason says :

    The so-called Aztec Stone of the Fifth Sun is not Aztec at all, but Toltec, and is packed with data. South of the system is merely me describing that it is far below our ecliptic, where nothing in our system is located.

    The challenge is simple- anyone wants to review the data in the uploads they are welcome to write a critique or do a video. But I will give answer. Further, that video does NOT HAVE SOURCES, it's a summary of over a 100 video presentations where the data points and data sets are provided. So anyone critiquing that video is wasting time.
     
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    The so-called Aztec Stone of the Fifth Sun is not Aztec at all, but Toltec
    Is that an opinion, or there is a source for that?

    Curious, what publications located prior to 1400s AD is he using to cover ~5,000 BC to ~1,000 AD. I do not mean "dated to".
     
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    South of the system is merely me describing that it is far below our ecliptic, where nothing in our system is located.
    In reality or in our artificial isolated system? Or both, I suppose, because it’s a copy?
    The challenge is simple- anyone wants to review the data in the uploads they are welcome to write a critique or do a video. But I will give answer. Further, that video does NOT HAVE SOURCES, it's a summary of over a 100 video presentations where the data points and data sets are provided. So anyone critiquing that video is wasting time.
    I tend to agree with his last statement there anyway.

    I asked earlier how many books and videos I’d have to consume to get the point. And yes, I’ve been probably too dismissive and snarky throughout, but here’s the thing. Everyone can make a claim, what is going to get me to take someone’s research more seriously is seeing how they arrived at the conclusions they arrived at by reviewing their sources. You don’t have to show your work, but in my experience, the higher quality the work is the more transparent it is. And the more one appeals to how self-apparent something is but is unwilling to provide a single, specific example, the more I’m going to think that they themselves didn’t really review the claim personally prior to adopting it. I could be wrong there, but it’s the impression that I get.

    And I don’t think it’s insulting to be skeptical of data these days that are provided without context. Graphs and charts are fine to show how you’ve correlated data, but where did the data come from? I don’t think it’s unreasonable to put an asterisk next to every date on a timeline, especially prior to 1000 AD and say what source tells of that event. I’m not even saying that I expect a study on the “historical quality” of that source, just a name. Even if it’s just Wikipedia. That’s at least something I can then collaborate. Issuing a challenge to debunk something without that is needle in a haystack territory.

    Maybe the books have great bibliographies/works cited. Again though, and very genuinely this time, I don’t know where to start, he has a massive catalogue.

    Basically, I would just like an answer to KD’s question (“what publications located prior to 1400s AD is he using to cover ~5,000 BC to ~1,000 AD”). I think I’ve explained why asking isn’t intentionally insulting or trying to start a fight or attempting to debunk his work. I have no interest in challenges, I just would like to understand his methodology and how much credence he gives to “ancient” sources that mysteriously disappeared for a millennia or more.
     
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    I've been gone for a while and I still am. One of the main reasons for me not being present is the lack of motivation due to family issues. It's one of those things when the darkness has no end in sight. Hopefully one day I'll be back, for deep inside I miss certain things.

    For right now, I wanted to ask you guys about your thoughts on the year 2030 and all the hype attributed to this date. The PTB clearly puts a certain meaning to this "2030" date. As far as we know they keep on talking about the so-called "Climate Change" formerly known as the "Global Warming." The importance of the date appears to be relevant. It's either that (the importance of the date), or they just picked a date to achieve their "world management" goals. Could there be more to this date than we are being allowed to know?
    World civilization cycles are one of the topics that I've been pondering on for a while now. Industrial revolutions appear to be convenient enough for re-introducing older technologies into the newly developing, post-apocalypse spins of the world civilization. From this perspective, the infatuation of the elites (imho, some of them do know what's up) with "2030" could be rather interesting. Additionally, we are obviously dealing with certain depopulation related agendas. I am no expert, but it does appear that our planet can sustain way more than whatever our current population is.
    • When could population numbers become really important?
      • This is just a speculation of mine, but I'd say at the time when people compete for food and resources in the absence of infrastructure and governance.
    • When could we possibly experience the absence of infrastructure and governance?
    What events could result in something similar to what we see here and here?
    • Wars?
    • Urban Fires?
    • Natural disasters?
    The Three Events
    As far as I understand, the official chronology can not be trusted. With that in mind, I think we could have one 19th century USA event broken into three separate events. Chances are there are more than three such events, but these three definitely stand out.

    1811-1812: New Madrid Earthquakes
    The New Madrid Earthquakes took place between December 1811 and April 1812 along an active fault line that extends roughly from Marked Tree (Poinsett County) in a northeasterly direction, crossing several states for about 150 miles. The earthquakes and aftershocks caused extensive damage throughout northeast Arkansas and southeast Missouri, altering the landscape, affecting settlement of the area, and leaving noticeable reminders that another huge earthquake could happen at any time.
    • Thirty miles south, in the river town of what is today Caruthersville, Missouri, all twenty houses were destroyed, and the surrounding land was rendered almost unrecognizable.
    • The ground rolled in several-foot-high waves until they burst, hurling up geysers of water, sand, and a charcoal-like substance.
    • Giant fissures swallowed buildings, along with anyone inside.
    • Some land rose, and other land sank to become inundated with water as rivers changed their course to fill the hollows. Huge chunks of riverbank collapsed into the Mississippi, and an island rose, blocking the current from running downstream.
    • As fissures opened in the riverbed and the banks collapsed, the water was forced to run backward, or upstream, until the temporary island was washed away.
    • Most accounts said it lasted a few minutes, while others said it lasted up to three days.
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    1833: The Leonid Meteor Storm
    The Leonid meteor storm was seen across the United States in the night and early morning of November 12th and 13th, 1833. Those who were awake to witness the storm were in awe as between 50,000 and 150,000 meteors fell each hour.
    • The 1833 Leonid Meteor Storm
    • To me, the above article sounded like an attempt to justify why just about every newspaper in the United States was publishing the exact same, or almost exact same text. Could it be that this is how historical narratives get introduced?
    On a separate note, if these were not meteors, what could they be?

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    1859: The Carrington Event
    The Carrington Event was the most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September 1859 during solar cycle 10. It created strong auroral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations. The geomagnetic storm was most likely the result of a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the Sun colliding with Earth's magnetosphere.

    I am not so sure there was "nothing much" to damage in those days. What about an allegedly "non-existent" at the time electrical grid?

    The horse-drawn tram (horsecar) was an early form of public rail transport, which developed out of industrial haulage routes that had long been in existence, and from the omnibus routes that first ran on public streets in the 1820s, using the newly improved iron or steel rail or 'tramway'.
    • In the United States the very first streetcar appeared in New Orleans in 1832, operated by the Pontchartrain Railroad Company, followed by those in 1832 on the New York and Harlem Railroad in New York City.
    • Horsecar - Wikipedia
    For whatever (historical) reason, the above contraption is claimed to be the original design. They manufactured rails, laid train tracks, built cars... for what exactly? For horses to pull them rigs?
    • Something does not add up here.
    • Do these technologies match, or people were forced to use horses for obvious reasons?
    Who knows, may be in some remote year 2095, historians will claim the below designs were original as well. Will they claim that the Carrington event 2.0 of 2030 did not damage much because there was "nothing much" to damage?

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    Power Grid Cyber Attack
    Another thing to consider is the constant "threat" of an imminent cyber attack. The MSM and WEF are pounding it down our throats. They even went as far as calling it a Cyber Pandemic.
    Wondering, what would be the difference between a Power Grid Cyber Attack and some (known to some) "Carrington Event 2.0"?


    KD Question: Prophets have been popping up left and right recently. Them climate changes, pandemics, cyber attacks, upcoming famine, etc. There is always someone out there to predict their occurrences, and somehow their "prophesies" become our reality.
    • Could it be that some people (or other entities) know what's coming around 2030, and govern the world society according to the pre-determined conservation plan?
    This particular guideline does not appear to match our currently claimed world population of 7.9 bil. But what if this guideline shows how many people can be adequately governed and controlled to start a new civilizational cycle after a "world ending" event? Could it be that more than 500 mil. people existing under the conditions lacking infrastructure and governance would jeopardize the ability of the future Robber Barons to re-start the world?
    • After all, who needs extra millions of hungry individuals competing for food and resources when there are none?
    Per our official history, humans of our kind and thinking ability exist for over 50,000 years. Yet, 200 years ago in 1820-30s (what would this date be without railroad locomotives?) people still used animal power for transportation. A couple industrial revolutions and one Nikola Tesla later, and we fly, drive, claim space travel and explore the metaverse.

    Meanwhile, we have loads of evidence that this world was eviscerated (may be more than once). Dates differ, but plenty of this evidence points towards the first half of the 19th century being the most recent occurrence.

    Here is the main question I guess: could it be that the projected "climate change" events of 2030 are a well disguised inevitable cyclical occurrence known to the select few?
    • If there is no climate change danger, and TPTB are not merely reorganizing the financial/governance structure of the planet... what could the significance of the year 2030 be?
    I have all but two thoughts on the matter:
    1. We have no idea of the structure of the environment (what is our planet Earth?) we live in.
      • The Earth system could have some sort of a built-in fail-safe feature that under specific conditions triggers pre-programed events.
    2. Under specific conditions, we get attacked from the outside of our known geography.
      • These attacks are being presented as urban fires, meteor showers, Carrington events, years without summer and various New Madrid earthquakes.
    “I've been gone for a while and I still am.”

    This is a profoundly lonesome statement.
     
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